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#814 - 10/02/07 06:02 PM any interest in a Satanic Grotto?
Venger Satanis Offline
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obviously, this has nothing to do with today's Church of Satan because they don't advocate Grottoes anymore... or even productive activity between members.

no, this is something else. i say we take the Grotto concept back and do something with it. if you'd like to take Satanism nine steps further, then let me know. post here or send me an email (my address can be found on the signature links).

the time for action is now. what do you think about localized Satanic organization?

Hail the new Satanic Aeon!


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#815 - 10/02/07 06:10 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Venger Satanis]
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The funding must come from somewhere, and whoever is in charge had better know how to deal with the business end of things.
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#853 - 10/03/07 02:56 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Old Spider]
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I say we let venger satanis send us money to establish a grotto, through ourselves a good party, and then through it all away like a pair of old socks.
The teenage satanists would most certainly like the idea of having a place to hang out, but I personally prefer meeting with fellow people in a more private and sophisticated place, like having a nice dinner in my dining room. This way it's up to me who qualifies and who doesn't.
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#855 - 10/03/07 05:36 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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Grotto's seem like a good idea at first glance, However the reality of it is much worse. The problem with the grotto system is that if you misjudge and choose members poorly and one of them does something retarded, the entire group will find itself in prison or worse.


Lets say that the "new guy" gets arrested for lighting the neighbors cat on fire. He fights the cops and during his time in jail, threatens the cops with his Satanic beliefs and tries to unnerve them with the fact theres a huge local grotto.

Do you really think they will do anything other than come for you all? Think they will do it friendly and in a neighborly way? The public thinks were baby killers, and the police have been trained that were insane drug using psychopaths. Local governments love Satanic groups because prosecuting them makes sensational television news.

"Police chief takes down blood drinking Satanic cult in small town."


Satanism attracts nit wits. Just from this site I have read statements from idiots who; Break into cemeteries to have group sex. People poisoning the neighbors dog. People who Satan appears to during weekly meetings at the laundry mat. People who scream to everyone in their life that they follow Satan and wonder why life is so hard.

then again, you never know. Prove me wrong.

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#859 - 10/03/07 08:20 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: MCSA TEK]
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I am a member of a local group of satanists. We don't consider ourselves a grotto. I can attest first hand that it only takes one idiot to wreak havok on the rest. We have a screening process where an applicant fills out a questionaire. Most don't make it beyond that point. Those that we feel might "get it", get a face to face interview with one or more members. We ask questions. We delve into their background. In subtle ways. We don't come right out and ask them if lighting cats on fire is cool. If you pass that test, we hold a vote and usually admit you.

Our first encounter was with a nit-wit that pretty much fit every sentence of yours MCSA. We eventually booted the person, but not without a fight. Dude tried to drag our names through the mud. Fabricated stories and posted them online. Was a pain in the ass for about 4 months.

The second one was more of a problem. He kidnapped his daughter and fled across the US. Some of you probably saw stories about him on your local news. He worked at the jail here and was considered armed and dangerous. As soon as the cops found his altar and stuff in the basement, we made headlines across the US. I was one of the first to catch wind of it. I was able to forewarn our other members of the situation and prepare them for phone calls and black 4 door sedans to pull into their parking lots. Sure enough, several of us were contacted and asked to give statements and junk. We were smart enough to disavow his membership publicly and tell the cops that while he was a member, he was not active, we did not support him or his actions, and fully cooperated with the investigation. We have had no problems since then. So yes, the possibility of one's actions bringing the whole down is very real.
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#861 - 10/03/07 09:12 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: fakepropht]
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I'd suggest an online grotto, but it looks like you've already got one.
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#864 - 10/03/07 11:43 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Old Spider]
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What I have done is to simply try to meet with people here in real time.

This gives them a chance to get to know a little about you from your conduct here. You may even invite them to your myspace or something like that.

To date, I have only actually met one person from this site. I am pretty busy.

Fakepropht does not live that far away from me and I continually to threaten to meet him in DC at a show. Still, we have yet to meet.
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#883 - 10/04/07 11:11 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Venger Satanis]
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"the time for action is now!"

What is this supposed to mean? Time for what action? I am merely a self righteous loner sitting in front of my computer waxing intellectual about things I know nothing about. I don't think I'm the only one either.

I am very curious how a grotto would benefit the average poster on this board. There really doesn't seem to be any even common thread of belief. To even refer to Satanism as a religion overall is laughable. Satanism seems to encompass everyone from atheists who can't come to terms with their Atheism, to people who believe in mythical monsters from pulp magazines bringing about a new Aeon.

Your post reads like a military recruitment poster. Perhaps you should rally around a specific cause instead of trying to motivate the Satanic Nation. A nation which has no cohesion.....wait..wait thats it isn't it? You are going to rally us. You are going to unite us in our beliefs. You can be our pope in the new Aeon.

Sorry not interested. Thanks though!
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#893 - 10/04/07 02:22 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: birdstrike]
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Yeah, it does seem to be a bit of a joke. Any self-deserving Satanist would already have a personal 'grotto' called a 'living room' or perhaps even the 'bedroom'. However, if it could serve as a vendor to the public for literature and similar services, then why not? But strictly as a meeting place... that doesn't seem to be very useful.
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#904 - 10/04/07 09:35 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Old Spider]
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Grotto's seem like a good idea at first glance, However the reality of it is much worse. The problem with the grotto system is that if you misjudge and choose members poorly and one of them does something retarded, the entire group will find itself in prison or worse.


What?! Can you explain further please?
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#1263 - 10/26/07 10:00 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Gravity]
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 Originally Posted By: Gravity

What?! Can you explain further please?


I believe Fakepropht already covered such a possible eventuality in his post, reread and then discuss.

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#1374 - 11/02/07 04:06 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Venger Satanis]
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I am an Ordained Satanic Minister ( not through the CoS ) and I am in the very begining steps of establishing a Satanic Church in New England Starting in my home state of Vermont. I believe firmly that it is time the Satanic Religion be recognized as a legit religion and those who practice it allowed to do so in a building designed for the soul purpous as well as a gathering place for Satanists of sound mind and body to converse. The Constitution covers all religions not just those that CONFORM to the will of the " socially Correct".
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#1381 - 11/03/07 02:11 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satanic_Priest]
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"Satanic Religion" IS a recognized "Religion"...

However, "IN YOUR FACE" doesn't fly well... so if you really want to be the owner of the "church" that gets burned down - more power to you. See you on the flip-side, and good luck.

Nice place to get all those pesky Satanists out of the way in one shot!


Edited by daevid777 (11/03/07 02:12 AM)
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#1389 - 11/03/07 04:16 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: birdstrike]
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Christians are the fascists of religion period!! They have have tried to convert every culture they've ever came in contact with, whether they want to or not. So why would some jack ass come on to our Satanic community and even type a word? We don't care if you believe our ideas or not!
People in the Satanic world are always exploring new magical avenues, we refuse to become stagnate.
There is not one way to do anything, but a lot of Satanists most likely follow very similar philosophies. Christians should take a look at history, We have been seeding into predominant positions in society for centuries! It's my belief that we'll consume the USA, if not the world, from the inside out.

That cult of chtulu is cheesy at best! Your book is way over priced for theories most likely recycled. Bill Gates comes to mind. lol
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#1391 - 11/03/07 04:52 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satanic_Priest]
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I completely sympathize, but it is true that psychotic christians will most likely take some sort of radical action.
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#1393 - 11/03/07 05:56 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: MCSA TEK]
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You draw upon some very good points MCSA TEK. Satanism does tend to draw the usual retards and crazies, along with every other type of black sheep. Insofar as grottos, I like the method the CoS uses to select its members. There applications are designed to weed out the non-Satanists. It would be a good idea for Venger to check out the application process of the CoS, if he or she is serious about starting a grotto.

Edited by Euronymous (11/03/07 05:57 PM)
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#1420 - 11/04/07 11:55 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Euronymous]
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Its not just Satanism.I have worked with some unorthodox political movements and non-conformists are often dysfunctional and have to be weeded out. The true nonconformists who has actually thought out his political/social,or religious philosophy, usually by extensive reading and research is rare. Most nonconformists are that way to fit in with fellow friends or get a thrill by standing out and alienating others.The stupidest thing in the world is stores like Hot Topic thats sale conformist goth clothes to nonconformists goths.True rebellion is a state of mind, not how one dresses or dyes his hair.
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#1430 - 11/04/07 02:03 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: 139381512]
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christains in there psodo ways are as trained mice ruuning for the chesse they will never get.
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#1524 - 11/07/07 11:25 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Venger Satanis]
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Personally, I do like the idea of a Grotto, on some level, because although we may be highly individualistic and independent, we are on some level social creatures due to the mere fact that all f us are human, and have a desire to socialize on some level. If this was not the case, then this whole forum would be totally empty, and without members.

Certainly, there would be challenges in establishing a grotto, many of which have been mentioned.

One of the biggest challenges, would be membership criteria. I tend to like the way the Masons have their system set up. Of course, since I am not a Mason, my knowledge of them, is limited to what I have read, and seen in documentaries about them.

New members on the first level, are only given very basic information. This is a fairly good way, to “weed out” the undesirables. With the advancement in ranks taking years, it also weeds out those individuals, who are still “searching” for their own belief systems, and will keep those out of the inner circle, who cannot make a commitment to said organization. Eventually, they will move on to the next “cool” group.

Selecting people to fill the leadership ranks, would also be very challenging, since “Satanists” by nature are not followers.
The head of the organization, would have to be someone, or a group, who have proved themselves to be highly intelligent, and successful in their personal life, and became that way using Satanic principles. A person, or persons, who would be able to earn the respect of a group of highly individualistic personalities.
So far the closest anyone has come, in my opinion, was Anton LaVey. He had the charisma, and the intelligence to carry this leadership role to some extent, but perhaps he failed in the long run, possibly do to his failure to achieve enough real and tangible success in his personal life.

When there is a group of people, someone does have to be respected enough, to be able to make final decisions for the group, and to establish certain codes of conduct, which would be beneficial to the group as a whole. Otherwise, everyone would want to run off into a different direction, and the grotto would sooner or later fall apart, as is usually the case.

Another big question, and perhaps this is the hardest one to answer, is what would the purpose of such a group be? Would it be merely a bunch of people getting together occasionally, to shoot the breeze, and discuss how Elite they are, and maybe prance around in Satanic garb performing rituals? Or would it be possible for like minded Satanists to get together in a localized geographic area, and at times concede some of their “individuality,” to enable the “group,” to make a difference in local politics and other areas which would be beneficial to a wide range of people who value personal freedom, there by giving credibility to the organization, as a potent and powerful one.

Although there might be some threat from the outside, as earlier mentioned, I don’t believe that such a threat would be as grave as some might believe.
If the purpose for the grotto was only so that members could share ideas, and support each other in some way and perhaps assist initiates in their personal growth, then likely, the grotto would be quite limited in size, and there wouldn’t have to be any public knowledge of the organizations existence. If a few curious individuals started asking questions about the organization, the existence of it could be simply denied, or misdirection might be used, and the whole thing could be played off as a group of
essentric, but quite harmless people getting together, who enjoy having a halloween party now and then.

If the organization decided to be more public and open, then to some degree, the local community would have to be put at ease, regarding the groups existence. Members would have to be able to represent themselves, and there by the grotto, in a positive light, showing that they are not a threat to the outside world. However, if anyone from the outside did cause physical harm to members or their property, then the grotto would have to be strong enough to make an example of them, but only through legal means, for obvious reasons. Perhaps, insisting that the attack be treated as a “hate crime.”

Some might have a hard time with this, because they feel that the outside world can go fuck off, if they don’t like the grotto.

However, the reality is, like it or not, that the outside world will never fuck off, and the harder the wolf push against the grain, the more likely the sheep will be to stampede. And even a pack of strong wolves, cannot defend themselves against a large stampeding herd.

Just my thoughts on the subject.
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#1808 - 11/12/07 02:17 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Asmedious]
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I come down on both sides of it.

Where I grew up, there was a grotto of sorts, and it happened to be partially run by a schoolmate's parents. He and I became friends and I hung out with him sometimes on the weekends or after school. His house was "normal" and his parents were just like any other parents from outward appearances.

After a period of time--a few years--they knew me very well and knew that I was a child of non-practicing christians and very skeptical in my views of organized religion. Eventually I was invited to participate in their rites/rituals.

Looking back, I'd say they were mostly LaVeyan in their practices, but TSB was only one piece of a lot of "required reading" for being a part.

Sorry for all the background; here's my point. It was indeed nice to have a collection of like-minded people. They were an extremely secretive group. At no time were any of my schoolmate's other friends ever asked to be a part, and the other adults who eventually came into the "grotto" were very carefully watched, screened, checked and rechecked before being invited. In that way it was something that was just ours, and good to have others with whom to share ideas.

The flipside of the argument is that as a lifelong skeptic of anything organized (and not more or less born into it as my friend was), it struck me as odd too. When I moved away from that area, it wasn't something I sought out again. It seemed that system was about as perfect as it can get, and all the pitfalls mentioned in this thread keep me from seeking out anything similar where I live now.

And yes, I recognize that after years of lurking on the old version of the site, I chose to make my first post here about the pros and cons of joining a group of like-minded people. Still, the Interweb is a far cry from the concept of a grotto, and there are benefits and detriments with each.

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#1836 - 11/13/07 03:29 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Venger Satanis]
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The trouble with organised groups is that they tend to (in my experience) degenerate into an orthodoxy, becoming rigid and intolerant of dissenting views.
I can forsee a problem with a Satanic grotto - its members' interpretation of Magic.

Let's suppose that such a grotto wishes to practice magical rituals. Most likely, some members will have a purely metaphorical view of magic as a form of psychodrama.

Others will insist that magic produces real effects by supernatural means.

Members in the latter camp are likely to have a problem with those in the former when it comes down to the nitty-gritty of actually performing a ritual. They may see the presence of 'unbelievers' (in magic as a real force) as a threat to a successful outcome.

Meanwhile, the sceptics in magic are likely to be repelled by what they perceive as the dogmatism, superstition and bigotry of those in the other camp.

Apart from limiting individual magical workings to groups of Satanists who can agree on the interpretation and goals of each working, this seems to be a problem for organised groups - especially for such a fiercely individualistic philosophy as Satanism.

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#1839 - 11/13/07 07:03 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Meq]
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The only "grotto" I could envision as being successful with Satanists is meeting up on the weekends at the local bar, winehouse or nice restaurant for drinks, dinner, and conversation. I know that would be my preference, anyway.

I honestly can't see anything "organized" working, especially as Paula described above, when it comes to working magic and personal philosophy.

Nothing but a massive headache.

I think we have the perfect "grotto" in the 600 Club as it is...why change that? Some members have been able to meet up with one another and have a good time, while most of the others are stuck in isolation (like myself). It's a place to congregate (in a way), yet provides the breathing room necessary for its individualistic members.
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#1860 - 11/13/07 06:20 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Nemesis]
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I have to agree, which is undoubtedly why I finally registered here.

Both concepts--Internet Forum and actual group of humans--have their benefits and drawbacks. Like Paula and Nemesis say, problems arise in interpretations of ritual and dogma in the grotto scenario. And as earlier posters in this thread mentioned, if things go bad, they can go REALLY bad.

On an Internet Forum, if things go wrong, either the problem folks leave (or are banned) or you leave. Problem solved. Much less drama, and more importantly, almost no chance for dragging something relatively secrative and personal into the light of day.

As with all else on the Internet, sometimes one is left missing the vibe that only being in the same room with someone can deliver. Yet with the possible problems inherent in the grotto concept, for me the 'Net remains the better option.

 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
The only "grotto" I could envision as being successful with Satanists is meeting up on the weekends at the local bar, winehouse or nice restaurant for drinks, dinner, and conversation. I know that would be my preference, anyway...


That would be ideal in my current situation. The "grotto" i was in in my youth was successful (i.e., not plagued by the issues discussed here), but as I said, a pretty rare thing I've come to find out.

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#2742 - 12/13/07 04:12 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: SSSnake]
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Lol...I love that analogy. I couldn't be more precise about that. By the way it is "psuedo". However, what do you think about the topic at hand? I liked your comment but how does that relate to Grottos?
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#2805 - 12/18/07 11:34 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: 139381512]
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I'll have to look into Grotto. I never really gave it any thought.
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#3446 - 01/14/08 11:03 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Gravity]
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Grotto's seem like a good idea at first glance, However the reality of it is much worse. The problem with the grotto system is that if you misjudge and choose members poorly and one of them does something retarded, the entire group will find itself in prison or worse.


What?! Can you explain further please?

Read beyond that and you will find your explanation
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#3463 - 01/14/08 02:15 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Asmedious]
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"What good is strength if it only serves other's needs and expectations?"

This is a loose quote from Anton LaVey's SATAN SPEAKS.

When it comes to actually performing rituals, getting several people to merge as a magical force could be quite challenging.

I have tried this before, with rather dim results.
It really depends on who you are working with, I suppose.
I still can't help that the combination of forces of like minded people could prove to be awesome, maybe even more effective than a lone magician.

I studied political science in college. I learned that the larger the group becomes, the more individual freedoms are given up.
If the cause is just, then the ends justify the means, perhaps.
On the other hand, sometimes if ya wanna do something right, ya gadda do it yer seff.....(mispellings are intentional)

And yet another quote from a nice movie called A BEAUTIFUL MIND

"Some say what's best is for the individual. Others say, what's best is for the group. What is truly best is for the individual AND the group".

I love movies and comic books. I get my most important data from them. Oh yeah, drunks too.

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#3628 - 01/21/08 05:30 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satansfarm]
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against my better judgement I have formed with several others a local grotto. We call ourselves NORTH BEACH GROTTO SF
Well , people kept coming to me for some spiritual guidance
I suppose I am narcissic enough to comply
there is something for the feeling of community that
is accosiated with groups
we had our first group ritual last night
it was basiclly a ritual toasting to salute Anton LaVey
and consolidate our group thing
WE ARE LOOKING FOR A FEW GOOD WITCHES
OR BAD WITCHES, JUST AS GOOD

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#3681 - 01/24/08 05:29 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satansfarm]
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what the heck was i thinkin?
faaaaaahhhgeddabowdid

no, really...this is a waste of time

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#3686 - 01/24/08 09:10 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satansfarm]
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What has happened in 3 days to make you do a 360? I am just interested in hearing your experience if you would share...

Peace

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#3696 - 01/25/08 04:52 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: ta2zz]
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Oh, for several months now there have been at least a dozen people who come to me for....advice...They want me to curse someone or
cast some spell. I see their interest is genuine, but I tell them that I cannot do magic for them, they have to learn it themselves.

people are practically banging on my door, so i decided to let them in. I told them to get a copy of the Satanic Bible and perform the rituals for themselves. Well, I wound up showing them how to do it. I simply did a toasting ritual, reading the various parts of the Satanic ritual in the Bible but leaving out the invocations for lust, destruction, etc. I simply toasted Anton LaVey and Karla, then closed with the Nineteenth Enochian key.

Group rituals are more of a consolidation of belief. I did not think that there would be the proper amount of focus to bring about any magical result other than that.

After a few days of being around these people, I realized that I am not really getting much out of this. people are coming to my place, taking up my time, and using up my energy. I felt like I was putting out and not really getting much back. So, Why bother?

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#3754 - 02/01/08 09:16 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: ta2zz]
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I've been experienced with "grottos" to some extent. I started off with a small group of Satanists long ago when I was 14. We were founded by one guy who calls himself Caligula Simpson who was in prison. We called ourselves "Simpsonites." It was alright, except you end up getting retars in the group who don't do shit, and it falls apart. Other groups I started weren't much better or anymore productive. We met in coffee shops hung out, did rituals together... yeah, then the shit dies out. Became a Freemason at 21 with a few close LaVeyan Satanists of mine I had known for a while. There is this old now defunct side order of Masons once called the Order of the Owl we studied. We also studied Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati. The Order of the Owl was a group of Freemasons that met together and conducted business together for each other's welfare an benefit. So we took what we learned and made our own business "grotto." We're too old for the name game, so we don't bother or name the group. Everyone must be a LaVeyan Satanist and a Master Mason. We have a list of required reading. The main purpose of the group is to help members live a better life. We use three levels of membership. Second level members sware to pass Satanism and Freemasonry down to their children. Brothers who want the third level contribute $1000 to the pool. We use this to daytrade and invest and we share the profits evenly, and we do what we can as a financial cooperative to make money for each other. Times are rough these days. We use what magic we practice to help. It's been working for us.
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#3792 - 02/02/08 08:40 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Venger Satanis]
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i think it sounds like a good ideal.
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#3793 - 02/02/08 08:43 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satansfarm]
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hi I was wondering where does a person go to learn how to perform a ritual
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#3795 - 02/02/08 09:01 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: drow666]
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 Originally Posted By: drow666
hi I was wondering where does a person go to learn how to perform a ritual


personally Drow I think you're better off practicing on your own first, to get the feel of things. What works for other people does not always work for you. Practice by yourself and get a feel for how you like to do things own your own first. The magic and rituals in the Satanic Bible are easy and basic to begin with, but powerful nonetheless. working with groups Drow might not always be a good idea if your doing a magical ritual because if one guy isn't all into it his mental output can fuck shit up for you... otherwise generic group ceremonies are fine. One thing you might want to check out to see how rituals are done is look up OTO. They have this Gnostic Catholic Mass which is opened to the public; its kinda gay and has nothing to do with Satanism proper, but hey! Its something.
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#3812 - 02/03/08 01:36 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: drow666]
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 Originally Posted By: drow666
hi I was wondering where does a person go to learn how to perform a ritual


Luciferic gave a good answer. Practicing magic/ritual in groups is a horrible idea, imo, unless the practitioners are all experienced and on the same wavelength. How can you find your path when there are several other people surrounding you serving as distractions? It might help to start out as I did--take a basic ritual, even if it was written to be performed by a group (just change the wording), and do it yourself. Several times. Each time you perform it, you will notice things about it that you think you could improve upon, or alter, to suit your needs and preferences. Eventually, you'll be conducting your own rituals, written by you, for YOU, and you'll have a much more fulfilling experience.

By the way, please refrain from making "one-liner" posts. They just take up space on the page. If you want to reply to multiple posts, either copy and paste their quote in your reply (like I did in this one, answering your question), or break up your reply into blocks addressed to each post,

i.e.
Drow: blahblahblah, etc.

Bob: etcetclblahblah, etc.
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#3815 - 02/03/08 01:48 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Nemesis]
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I agree with Luciferic and nemisis on practicing on your own because you won't have so much pressure on you when your alone, then you would if you have a few people doing a ritual. I started out on my own many years ago and feel that its the best thing for me. I've tried over the years to sit in a ritual with 2 or others for rituals and it just didn't feel right to me.

I wasn't as focused in a crowd then I was being by myself. It was harder to focus my intent being surrounded with others because I had to wait on them do a particular thing and then another to do theres etc,,,

So it wouldn't hurt you to read a do a few basic rituals on your own until you feel comfortable and then if you want then go into a group and see how you feel. You might feel more attracted to being with others during ritual but the best way to find out is experience.

Good Luck

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#3827 - 02/03/08 05:04 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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i agree with you I think, to truly be free a person must truely let go of all the lies.
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#3828 - 02/03/08 05:09 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Noc]
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 Originally Posted By: Noc
I agree with Luciferic and nemisis on practicing on your own because you won't have so much pressure on you when your alone, then you would if you have a few people doing a ritual. I started out on my own many years ago and feel that its the best thing for me. I've tried over the years to sit in a ritual with 2 or others for rituals and it just didn't feel right to me.

I wasn't as focused in a crowd then I was being by myself. It was harder to focus my intent being surrounded with others because I had to wait on them do a particular thing and then another to do theres etc,,,

So it wouldn't hurt you to read a do a few basic rituals on your own until you feel comfortable and then if you want then go into a group and see how you feel. You might feel more attracted to being with others during ritual but the best way to find out is experience.

Good Luck
i will try that.

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#4045 - 02/10/08 04:20 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: drow666]
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"I will be the leader, I am sure that you will soon see things my way" I heard these chilling words echo from my "guest".

I made the mistake of inviting this creep into my lair for a
"satanic ritual" that he so direly needed me to perform for him.
he wants somebody out of the way. I told him that this was too personal for me to get involved in, and good naturedly showed him a Nineteenth key, solidarity thing. What else could a group ritual be good for unless the participants are really tight?


Now the little hitler is going to get his mustache cut and is all out for recruits. He's not using my lair for his fanclub.I will not permit it.
Quite frankly, coming out in public as a Satanist has been one disaster after another for me. I'm not that social a creature in the first place.

I want to crawl back into my crevice and be left alone.

GRRRRRRRRRRR

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#4275 - 02/16/08 01:55 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Venger Satanis]
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Grottoes are an important part in the philosophy of Satanism. If , indeed, you do have some yahoo who does something stupid and tells the police of a local satanic grotto, then chances are that you are not a good judge of character. This is the reason for Grotto Masters. I perform rituals local to my area and I keep new members out of the chamber until about 10 months of public group meetings (which are open to everyone) where I judge their character and collect enough funds from them to buy their membership, robes, amulet, ritual materials, etc. They apply to the CoS as active members and then we baptize them in the name of Satan. If they are not into it, they stop coming to meetings, we keep their money and they still know nothing of the rituals and/or grotto location. It's important that you don't let morons into your local group. The CoS is tolerant of grottoes and group activity and will assign a Grotto Master to act as priest until he/she becomes a priest or a priest joins your grotto. And one last thing: ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE A SATANIST AT 14 AND HAS INVOLVED OR BEEN INVOLVED WITH MINORS (UNDER 18) OR NON-MEMBERS IN RITUALS IS GUILTY OF THE SIN OF STUPIDITY. WHEREAS, ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A SATANIC RITUAL IS ALSO A BAD LIAR. Don't talk about what you don't know.

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#4276 - 02/16/08 03:12 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: ScabbiusR.I.]
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I was under the impression that the CoS disbanded all grottos and no longer recognizes them.
Unless they restarted it, and started recollection of membership upgrades for grotto masters.

"ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE A SATANIST AT 14 AND HAS INVOLVED OR BEEN INVOLVED WITH MINORS (UNDER 18) OR NON-MEMBERS IN RITUALS IS GUILTY OF THE SIN OF STUPIDITY."

You don't have to be a member of the CoS to be a Satanist. Satanist come in all ages, shapes, and sizes. Its not about the age, its about the intelligence.


"WHEREAS, ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A SATANIC RITUAL IS ALSO A BAD LIAR. Don't talk about what you don't know."

You don't have to be a member of the CoS to do rituals. You can be any age and do a ritual successfully. Its a matter of intelligence, ability, and understanding. Hell, you don't even have to be a Satanist to do a ritual successfully, just ask any Chaos magician about what they use.

Besides, the last I checked, the CoS bans people from asking too many questions, and they don't usually like those who post here. Besides, if you don't talk and questions things, you learn nothing.


Enjoy your time here,
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#4290 - 02/16/08 11:30 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Venger Satanis]
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All religions are cabals of like minds and mutual interests AND the ability to act on such interests usually meaning wealth/money. All religions are based on money available to participate in the program of the moment and support infrastructure of the group, facilities, etc.. essentially all are social clubs even those based on roving monks living off a greater society. You have to exist in good times to have the luxury to exist off others. Again, wealth/money has to be in play to have the luxury of religion or anything else beyond survival.
Having connections to others of like mind in real time could be interesting if not regimented into regulated peer motivated participation. In other words something much less than a cult mentality and thus protecting a sense of individuality along with paying one's fair share.
Religions are an excuse for having a social club. Religions also can be social diseases. The caveat being anything organized is corrupt.
The Satanic Bible is a guidebook for organized activities, individual thought and mutual interests.

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#4508 - 02/24/08 05:01 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: woreloque]
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The disaster of attempting to involve others in Satanic rituals is haunting me still. A certain person incessantly badgered me
to form a grotto, a satanic "club." I fell for it. I admit, I am a loner and should not try to form such unions on my own. I am not
that fond of sharing my private space with anyone, and this experience is giving me a sound thrashing. Since I prefer to be alone, I am not that well versed in the judgement of character department. I have opened my home to
a Psychic Vampire. He is not truly interested in Satanism, just the contents of my cupboard. He demand attention, he is psychotic.HE HAS DESTROYED MY PROPERTY. I may be forced to go to the police now. They helped me out before, and I fear that my Satanic
face is becoming a bit too familiar with them.
I will get over this disaster and get on with my life.
This has to be drilled into my head, and hopefully for this one time only. I even have posted a sign on my door. It reads:

I HAVE MOVED
GET LOST
THIS MEANS YOU
YES, YOU.

This is the absolute truth.
I feel like an idiot.

I am in trouble now with my landlord. I am cussing myself with this
blunder. My advice: DO NOT ALLOW LONELINESS TO BE YOUR DOWNFALL.

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#4534 - 02/25/08 03:33 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satansfarm]
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I'd participate in this sort of activity, if I could find a group of local Satanists who weren't semi-psychotic theists. Socializing with like-minded people is always enjoyable.
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#4557 - 02/26/08 01:49 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Jeseth]
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All I can say is that you must thoroughly check out a person before
bringing them to your house. then again, my standards were incredibly low otherwise, this person would never have been invited in the first place. As far as I am concerned, heavy boozing and drugs are not appropriate behavior in my lair.I work too hard to get what I have.

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#4559 - 02/26/08 02:30 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satansfarm]
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 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
All I can say is that you must thoroughly check out a person before
bringing them to your house. then again, my standards were incredibly low otherwise, this person would never have been invited in the first place. As far as I am concerned, heavy boozing and drugs are not appropriate behavior in my lair.I work too hard to get what I have.

Take that as experience. You've suffered the consequences, and now you've learned from them. That's the only consolation you can gain from this event now. It should get easier from now on, so long as you keep watch on on people around you, of which I'm sure you'll be capable of doing.
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#4588 - 02/27/08 02:49 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: DistroyA]
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oh well.
i get alot of helpfrom the landlord and building security as well....(chuckle)I am also beginning to feel that the benefits I get from magic are really quite impossible to share. It just doesn't feel right. Magic is secretive in nature. the joy of discovery is something EXTREMELY private. I might talk about it in these forums, but believe me, I will never be that specific. I've already had to tone down my presentation. I have been alone in this for many years. It is like adjusting my protocol interface, we are different countries. The world is a rough neighborhood.

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#4624 - 02/28/08 04:09 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satansfarm]
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And so, dear reader, perhaps you are wondering why oh why would I want to be involved with a grotto or church or any other Satanic organization? Well, it so happens that I had come under fire in my community for being a Satanist. Yes, i live in San Francisco, the city in which Satanism ala Lavey was founded years ago. This is a city renowned for its so called tolerance. Today's san francisco is the antithesis of the summer of love, haight ashbury days. Homophobia is quite rampant. Materialism is the rule of this roost today. People are nosey, vindictive, and rather INTOLERANT.
I was approached and condemned by Catholic priests, smarmy evangelists, do-gooder religionists. As a matter of fact, one of these idiots is sitting next to me right now in the library, spying on me as I type this. Heh heh heh. Its a fishbowl world full of fishy people.
I thought that perhaps I should see out others who believe as i do. We could share recipes and stuff. maybe we could help protect each other.
This is also a rather crummy idea. Online, I am verbally assaulted by so-called satanists. They are so much more satanic than I. There are other people who simply masquerade as Satanists. They have no true interest. They only want to get close enough to me to take advantage of my hospitality. They drain me like the leechlike psychic vampires they are.
I feel more alone now that I tried to reach out than ever.
I suppose I will just have to hang out with Beelzebub.
We have always been cool.
I can keep my candles burning. Human beings are decidedly inferior in regards to their capacity for companionship.

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#4625 - 02/28/08 04:20 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satansfarm]
Jeseth Offline
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Satansfarm, you should try Meetup.com if you're interested in meeting other Satanists in your area. I'm listed there as well, and I've been considering organizing something in the future.
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#4637 - 02/29/08 12:12 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Jeseth]
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Thankyou, Jeseth
There is a very good occult shop in Oakland called ancient ways.
ever been there? there is a crummy shop in SF called sword in the stone. I highly recommend to stay away from it. They don't like Satanists there. The guy asked me my spiritual leanings and practically cringed when I told him that I am a LaVeyan.

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#4638 - 02/29/08 12:13 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satansfarm]
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jeez. all i wanted was a few black candles.
i find black shoe polish on white candles works just as well.
i am not sure if the fumes are toxic, though.

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#4639 - 02/29/08 12:22 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satansfarm]
Jeseth Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
i am not sure if the fumes are toxic, though.

Yes. Yes, they are. You should be fine if you have good ventilation though.

I've been to that store in San Francisco, but I've never been to the one in Oakland. Ancient Ways, huh? I'll check it out. I used to buy black candles at Hot Topic - that's right, Hot Topic - because they sold them at good prices. They stopped selling them though, so now I rarely go there... unless it's to buy my girlfriend slutty goth clothes.
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#4641 - 02/29/08 01:40 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Jeseth]
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well, here is another tip for you.
walgreens carries the black candles for halloween.
just after, they are HALF PRICE!!!!!!
hee hee
I clean them out every year
the eqinox(?) is drawing near...the spring,
the affirmation of life and growing things
i do so love my plants
ancient ways is on telegraph in the twenties, near this adult dvd store....near the dmv

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#4671 - 03/01/08 02:22 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satansfarm]
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I JUST heard of Ancient Ways while looking up other things. But never seen it with my own eyes.
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#4679 - 03/01/08 09:52 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Engel08]
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Ancient Ways is a little store on the corner. It has the usual altar stuff and candles, incenses and oils, etc. I only go to a store like this if I can't get what I'm looking for elsewhere. Why pay a buck a piece when ya can get it fer a quarter?
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#4716 - 03/03/08 01:00 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Satansfarm]
Jeseth Offline
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I went by there yesterday. It was interesting, but they had absolutely no books on Satanism.
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#4737 - 03/03/08 09:19 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Jeseth]
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Most new age-y stores wouldn't bother to. Those nasty goth Satanists just aren't worth catering to. They mostly stock up on Wiccan reading material, and other "white light" studies like Shamanism (the watered-down version), Gemstone magic, Goddess-crap, and "What Your Cat Is Thinking". Disappointing to say the least. Your best bet would be surfing the web and finding occultist bookstores online, or at least a directory in your area of local shops that sell those items.

Ancient Ways sounds like a Wiccan store.
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#4741 - 03/03/08 11:23 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Jeseth]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeseth
I went by there yesterday. It was interesting, but they had absolutely no books on Satanism.


Jeseth go to Lulu.com

type in Satanism, luciferianism, vampyrism... whatever. They got all these really hard to find books.

I'm still trying to find a hard cover Satanic Bible. Anybody know where i can find one? I already tried eBay.
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#4755 - 03/04/08 12:26 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
Jeseth Offline
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You're going to have a hard time finding one... They sell for upwards of $500 in good condition, and around $300 if they're damaged.

Thanks for the link, by the way.
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#4762 - 03/04/08 04:26 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Here ya go. SATANIC BIBLE HARDCOVER EDITION CLICK HERE.
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#4771 - 03/04/08 09:12 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious


LOL! Oh my fucking god! 2000 and 3 dollars ! As if the 3 dollars had to be tossed in. Never mind. I'll copy the Satanic Bible into a hard cover book myself for free. wow; i liked Jeseth's pricing way better. Thanks for your help anyways Asthma-deus... wheeze wheeze.
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#4776 - 03/05/08 12:23 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
Jeseth Offline
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
I'll copy the Satanic Bible into a hard cover book myself for free.

What? You can do that?
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#4780 - 03/05/08 01:18 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Jeseth]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeseth
 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
I'll copy the Satanic Bible into a hard cover book myself for free.

What? You can do that?
Well yeah? all i have to do is buy a blank book with a hard cover, and transcribe the whole Satanic Bible into it? its cheaper than $2003!
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#4787 - 03/05/08 06:23 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Not to mention it would be a much more personal item. I've read about dedicated Satanists copying the entire SB into their own blank tome, using an old-fashioned quill pen and dragon's blood ink. For some, it was a bit of a dark, meditative experience.
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#4789 - 03/05/08 09:23 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
Not to mention it would be a much more personal item. I've read about dedicated Satanists copying the entire SB into their own blank tome, using an old-fashioned quill pen and dragon's blood ink. For some, it was a bit of a dark, meditative experience.


I've read the same thing too. So guys use this method as magic. They would concentrate on what they want while transcribing TSB, and when they finish it would come to them. I heard it works... but with that much focus anything would work. I was thinking of using squid ink, like from a squid, sinse they are the closest thing to a sea dragon (for Leviathan); but maybe the ink would rot and stink?
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#4797 - 03/05/08 12:27 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I don't think the ink itself would rot and stink. I found this video about harvesting squid ink. Your idea sounds great. It actually makes me want to try it.
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#4823 - 03/05/08 05:44 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Jeseth]
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Wow. That much ink in one sack? Dear me. It makes me wonder if it would be worth harvesting all of those squids.
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#4831 - 03/05/08 08:51 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: DistroyA]
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I think I missed the part where the ink gushes out like i had imagined? God Jes & Dis you know how much calamari we'd need to write out the whole SB? I saw some very big squid at the chinese supermarket. There's just no easy way around this huh?

Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (03/05/08 08:52 PM)
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#4836 - 03/05/08 10:56 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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OR....

You could just buy a pen. lol

But if you absolutely need the squid ink i'm sure it's gotta be sold somewhere.

When in doubt... check Ebay.

good luck
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#4838 - 03/05/08 11:21 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Selezen]
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 Originally Posted By: Selezen
OR....

You could just buy a pen. lol

But if you absolutely need the squid ink i'm sure it's gotta be sold somewhere.

When in doubt... check Ebay.

good luck


Squid ink on eBay? hmm...
Pen's aren't imaginative and magical Selezen, thats too passe. I know i've seen lots of squid at oriental food stores. Or i wonder if we can make ink out of herbs? You know, like a mixture of special herbs. Occult book stores in the real world are so hard to find these days. The closest one i know of by me that sells this kind of stuff is the Cat's Eye in Long Beach.

Does anybody here have this problem?
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#4840 - 03/05/08 11:37 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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There are too many occult bookstores where I live... and none of them carry Satanic items. I'm pretty sure squid ink might be available bottled or canned, because there are recipes for pasta that require decent amounts of it. I'd say that if you have enough ink to make pasta, you can probably write out The Satanic Bible.
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#4845 - 03/06/08 12:12 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Jeseth]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeseth
There are too many occult bookstores where I live... and none of them carry Satanic items. I'm pretty sure squid ink might be available bottled or canned, because there are recipes for pasta that require decent amounts of it. I'd say that if you have enough ink to make pasta, you can probably write out The Satanic Bible.


LOL, ewe, what kinda pasta uses squid ink?

You're luck to have all those books stores. Down here in Yuppy Orange County the closest thing to an "occult" bookstore is this way gay place called the "Fairy Box." You walk in their and theres a lady who looks crazy with a big smile, and there's all these books and art work with fairies on them. In the back they have this skinny lady who reads Fairy cards. Its all pink inside. Its really tre fou fou. We can't even get a descent strip club down here Jes! I have to strip for my friends!

Berkley? By San fransisco? Are there any caves and tunnels under your city?

I read in one of Anton's book where he went exploring in some cave underneath Frisco, and she saw some creature that scared the shit out of him.

So me and my friends went exploring in this cave by the beach...
we smelt something bad... then... we heard this voice say: "Hey, get outta here, i live here!" We turned around...










...and it was a bum! He had a radio and cooking pots in there. We hung out with him. That's the closet I got to subterrainian creatures.
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#4865 - 03/06/08 08:19 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
LOL, ewe, what kinda pasta uses squid ink?


Any black kind of pasta. And black olives are colored with it too.
Just had to come out with it...

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#4874 - 03/06/08 12:26 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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You could check out Chinese/Japanese Specialty Markets for your ink needs. Squid Ink soup is a delicacy. You might have luck at a really good Spanish or Portuguese market as well. Good luck with your magick.
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#7532 - 04/12/08 05:24 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Octavius]
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Jesus fucking Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You think it fucking matters what kind of ink you guys use to copy verbatim some crappy words written down in the 60's?

Okay, if you really do care... why don't you use your own blood? Would that be gross and gothic enough? You can get syringes, can't you?

How about "Lampblack"? Have you ever tried to make your own "ink"? You could use all the wonderful herbs you want, black the end of a spoon with this shit, collect it, and use a media, or medium or your choice to craft this oh so wonderful act of plagiarism.

There have been great artists, and I mean "great", that have "made" their own "oils" - why would you ever buy shit from some place online that you could easily, and more personally, create? It's like buying chopped onions from the grocery store.

Fuuuuuuuuccccckkkkkk.

(Sorry, I can't stand it.)

P.S. - About blood collection tubes - Get the ones with an anticoagulant, for fluidity...


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#8069 - 04/21/08 03:58 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: Jeseth]
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I would like to have a Grotto in San Diego. Hell even a So Cal one.

I bet if it was kept "closed door" to outsiders it would be a great safe place for those like minded to meet.
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#8074 - 04/21/08 07:13 PM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: AMMON666]
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*Tag* You're it!


Edited by ta2zz (04/21/08 07:13 PM)
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#10101 - 07/06/08 08:24 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: ta2zz]
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i'd be interested in a chicago based one.
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#10729 - 08/18/08 12:02 AM Re: any interest in a Satanic Grotto? [Re: SevenDeadlySins]
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Of course I'd be interested if there were one in my area.

But in all likelihood, it would most likely be run by either:

-immature reverse christian newbs
-occultfags more obsessed with fussing over kabbalah details than directing real-world action
-complete nutcases who have no idea what they're doing

I would love nothing more that to start my own Church, declare myself Grand High Magus, initiate 20-or-something members, and oversee rituals, rites, satanic baptisms/weddings, black masses, orgies, etc, as well as compile my own ultimate Black Grimiore Necro Bible of ULTIMATE DEATH. Everyone would fear and respect me as I single-handedly usher in the grand Aeon of Satan!

But as far as REALITY goes, that would be completely ridiculous. Sure, I could probably get a ragtag cult of gullible and transient miscreants together, but what fun is there in being a leader if your followers are fools?

Finding other Satanists is difficult. Many of them aren't serious to begin with and "grow out of it", or move on to dabble in some other occult/pseudo-pagan nonsense that sounds interesting. And finding other Satanists who are sane, level-headed, and know what they're talking about is even harder.

They exist, I'm sure, as many members on this forum prove. I wouldn't mind having a good old fashioned Black Mass in a shadowy ritual chamber full of robed cultists- but more realistically I'd be content with a discussion about art, current events, or music, along with a cup of coffee in a bookstore or cafe somewhere.
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