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#8307 - 04/30/08 11:10 PM Different Types Of Satanist
Tony Offline
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Hi

I would like to say that I'm new to all this, but I'm a little confused. I have noticed alot of people call themselves satanist but they don't really believe in satan as a deity. This to me is confusing because it sounds to me as your just an Atheist, and your basically using satan to mock the christian religion. why not just call yourself an athiest?

To me I do consider myself a satanist cause i see satan as a deity , and the one true god that made everything. I believe there is only one god, and that is satan.

I would like to know why people that don't believe in satan call themselves satanist, and pretend to worship satan when in reality they don't believe in him....I would really appreciate it cause I'm a bit confused.

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#8310 - 04/30/08 11:57 PM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Tony]
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Well then you are a true worshiper and there are many here who fit into that catagory. I for one am a true worshiper of Satan. I will stand up for Satan.
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#8311 - 05/01/08 12:00 AM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Tony]
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Being Confused Is the fu##ing point!!!!
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Sounds like I did My job well,Your discomfort
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I love it......................
The jealous oh poor child.


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#8313 - 05/01/08 12:41 AM This should be in Satanism 101 [Re: Tony]
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Hello,

 Originally Posted By: Tony
I would like to say that I'm new to all this, but I'm a little confused. I have noticed alot of people call themselves satanist but they don't really believe in satan as a deity.

The difference is theist or non theist… To some this is a philosophy not a religion…

 Originally Posted By: Tony
This to me is confusing because it sounds to me as your just an atheist, and your basically using satan to mock the christian religion. why not just call yourself an athiest?

Oh Tony it is so much more than that… Have you read this yet? TSB Read the first half, the second half is mostly filler to make a publishable book, and to trap those needing dogma…

 Originally Posted By: Tony
To me I do consider myself a satanist cause i see satan as a deity , and the one true god that made everything. I believe there is only one god, and that is satan.

Good now keeping that out of the equation what is the most basis of your beliefs? Mine are live life to its fullest, try to always better myself where possible, be responsible for my own actions… What is your answer?

 Originally Posted By: Tony
I would like to know why people that don't believe in satan call themselves satanist, and pretend to worship satan when in reality they don't believe in him....I would really appreciate it cause I'm a bit confused.

Is this the first time you have been exposed to the reality of Satanism as a metaphor? Who pretends to worship anything here? You can learn much here perhaps you even have something to teach… Stick around for a while…

Good luck on your path

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#8314 - 05/01/08 12:41 AM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Tony]
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Hi Tony,
I will not claim to speak for the entire forum, but this is my basic understanding of the subject at hand.

There are two general classes of Satanism:
1) Theistic Satanism, in which one believes in Satan as being an actual deity and pays homage thusly through adoration, rituals, etc.

2) LeVeyan Satanism, in which one does not believe in an actual deity known as Satan but rather acts the role of the adversary. Essentially, the concept of "Satan" to a LeVayan Satanist is the representation of indulgence and acting upon one's urges without remorse.

And of course, loosely based within the two generalized classes I mentioned are many different flavors, beliefs, and opinions.

As far as Atheism: to me, Satanism represents my philosophy more accurately then simply saying I'm an Atheist and don't believe in any gods.

-Selene

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#8315 - 05/01/08 12:43 AM Re: This should be in Satanism 101 [Re: ta2zz]
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And here I thought I would attempt to be helpful...ta2zz got to it first by 1 second.

Selene

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#8316 - 05/01/08 12:53 AM Re: This should be in Satanism 101 [Re: selene]
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 Quote:
Essentially, the concept of "Satan" to a LeVayan Satanist is the representation of indulgence and acting upon one's urges without remorse.


Can I add to that seeking and being able to see the 'real world around you' sometimes refered to as 'the truth'. Although, with the corruption of that word lately I am reluctant to use it.

LOL Selene, you've actually been very helpul. It's nice to see a new member that is willing to put their hat in the ring for something other than group mentality.

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#8317 - 05/01/08 01:09 AM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Tony]
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Whatever type that you consider yourself to be, it is good to start out by reading the Satanic Bible, conveniently downloadable in the Media Room.

Read all that you can after that. Satanic literature is a dime a dozen but good Satanic literature will be harder to come by, as you may already know.

Eat the meat and spit the bones out. Enjoy the ride...
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#8324 - 05/01/08 05:55 AM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Tony]
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For me it's all down to the level of description I want. I'm an Atheist and the word is fine and dandy to describe my religious views. That's all it means though, lack of belief in god.

To describe my views beyond this, Satanism seems the most accurate word to use. It's not a religious belief for me, it's a philosophy and way of living. It's a convenient label to use rather than going into a list of things that make up my personal philosophy. I'm not a person immune to the attraction of a label and a definition, labels and definitions are handy things sometimes.

Of course I'm coming from the LaVeyan type of Satanism and I can see the confusion with there being different types. But there are different types and that's how it is.

The anti-christian thing does come into it for me, that's part of why I'm attracted to it but it's not all of it. I call myself a Satanist because I relate to the philosophy outlined in The Satanic Bible. I call it to myself, not often to other people because I'm aware that it can cause me problems and give off a wrong impression. In this sense the confusion you speak of can be a reason not to use the label. But on the flip-side the label is very useful when talking to people who know about it. It makes googling for places like this a hell of a lot easier as well.

And finally I don't pretend to worship anything. If people assume that I worship Satan that's not really due to any pretense on my part. I realise this assumption is likely outside of certain circles and this is why I keep the label within those circles and to myself in most areas of everyday life.

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#8325 - 05/01/08 07:23 AM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Tony]
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 Originally Posted By: Tony

To me I do consider myself a satanist cause i see satan as a deity , and the one true god that made everything. I believe there is only one god, and that is satan.


What you are saying in effect is that Satan is just another name for God. I don't think this is true. Do you know what "satan" means? It means adversary. Broadly speaking, anyone who is actively working against the will of God can be regarded as a "Satan". Outside the Judeo-Christian tradition the word is meaningless.

In Judaism, Satan is God's D.A. or Chief Prosecutor. Satan is used by God to test mankind. But Christians also added a bit of Zoastrianism to the mix and produced an independent being who is also the opposite of God and who is working against God; the proverbial anti-Christ and Prince of Darkness.

Did you ever see the movie Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory? (It's a firm viewing favorite round these parts, I can tell you). The story is about a very famous chocolate factory, called Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory, that produces the world's greatest chocolates, candies - confectionery in general. No one ever enters the factory, and no one ever leaves.

Mr. Wonka, the owner, runs a contest. The winners of the contest will be allowed to enter and tour the factory together. However, they will have to sign a contract and follow the rules. One of the rules is: no eating of any products inside the factory without express permission.

Afterwards, when they leave, they will go home with a lifetime supply of chocolate.That is, *IF* they follow the rules.



... yadda, yadda, yadda...



Then Wonka calls in Wilkinson, his aide. And Wilkinson is Slugworth! Slugworth was sent out to each of the children to test them! To see how they would respond. Anyone who either ate food he wasn't supposed to eat or brought a Gobstopper to Slugworth was dishonest, and would not become the successor. Notice, also, that Wonka himself gave each of the children a Gobstopper. So he himself set up the choice, and then gave them the opportunity to break the rule, using Wilkinson to offer the temptation.

So, to cut to the chase, Willy Wonka is God and Slugworth is Satan. Just as Slugworth is really Wilkinson doing what Wonka asked him to do, Satan is also not working for himself. At least, that is how the Jews view Satan.

"Satanism" however, can probably be best explained as an infantile disorder. It explains why so many people first discover Satanism in their teens, usually after a lengthy period of excessive altruism, brought about by excessively pious Christianity; then by using the writings of Ayn Rand, they redress the imbalance of their lives and usually grow out of it all in time to become happy little Joe Averages and Sally Soccermoms. In fact, LaVey once described his Satanism as "just Ayn Rand's philosophy with ceremony and ritual added".(Some however never grow out of it and are doomed to remain children trapped in a grown-up world).

That's how some people use Satanism but this is certainly no denigration of Modern Satanism as a way of life. Far from it. It's primary aim has always been self-liberation; not binding one's identity to anything oppressive. It is an intelligent way to avoid becoming a total loser in life. And Uncle Andy deserves great credit and is rightly honored by anyone calling him/herself a "Satanist". Satanism as an ism was something invented by Anton LaVey. Before that there was only devil worshippers, so the disciples of LaVey - or the modern Satanists - are the ones who really have a right to use the title.

But LaVey's Church of Satan failed - which is a great shame. By rights, it should have looked like Andy Warhol's Factory and sounded like Frank Zappa. But it was still a work of genius, IMHO.

As for independent or self proclaiming Satanists, I would stay well clear of that lot. They are always nobodies who desperately want to be somebodies and to that end usually end up doing really stupid dumb-assed things like shooting up High Schools, etc.

But as for Satan actually existing either physically, spiritually, abstractly, etc. well, that's a different story altogether, but not as God... sorry.

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#8332 - 05/01/08 07:46 PM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: School Bully]
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I'll keep this short and simple. If you worship a deity called Satan, then you are not a Satanist...you are merely a Heretical Christian. Cheers. Now go forth and do wrong.
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#8586 - 05/10/08 07:06 AM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Octavius]
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Tony -- most Satanists ARE Atheists..

To get a full explanation, you should invest in the Satanic Bible. LaVey explains this in full detail... and will make 100% perfect sense to you after reading it.

And LaVey also explains why it's not the Christians that are the problem or threat - it's the NEW AGERS.

The Satanic Bible is NOT Christian bashing... far from it.

I highly recommend adding it to your library and reading it!!
You'll be amazed at what is really in there and the full explanation of LaVeyan Satanism.
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#8588 - 05/10/08 07:10 AM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Necrophillah]
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Here's a link for you to listen too: It explains it \:\)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6209471016393406120&q=church+of+satan
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#8590 - 05/10/08 09:37 AM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Necrophillah]
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The "confused Christian" argument is a poor one. I for one don't think of Satan and pals as deities, but I certainly don't have the hubris to intercede for others. Nothing irritates like suggesting to another person, who you barely know, that regardless of their personal beliefs and reasoning, they are merely poor amateurs of another faith.

When I have the misfortune to run into people expousing the beauty of the Hare Krisna movement, they often start the conversation with spurious factoids like "Do you know that Sanskrit is the oldest written language"?. Whether it is or not, I reserve the right, and the right of others, to form their own opinions and not simply accept that regurgitated opinion as a whole, undiminished truth.

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#8606 - 05/11/08 02:15 AM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Xutech]
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If you believe in Satan as a deity then that's fine and dandy, if it works for you then whatever floats your boat.

Satanism is whatever you want it to be.

Modern Day Satanism, however, when the term Satanist became applicable is from The Church of Satan, which believe Satan as an archetype representative of free will and individualism. Magick, Ritual, etc is done to clear the psyche of the burden of whatever specific situation you have done a ritual for, so that you are able to grow beyond the situation and thusly, the outcome of your desire occurs, because you have opened yourself up to accept this result.

That is of course assuming you practice the spells and rituals in TSB or another Satanic document, many people, as was said earlier, use this as a philosophy to live their lives by without the ritual, etc. But generally, you will be hard pressed to find a modern day Satanist who necessarily believes in Satan as a supreme deity and thusly worships him. Most are LaVeyan Satanists.

There are many off shoots, like the ToS, that believe in a deity, but that is Set, and it would be an amazing feat to get one of them to call themselves a Satanist, because to them they are not, they're Setian.

Anyways, my point being, you will find more so than not that people who call themselves Satanists do not necessarily believe in or worship him as a deity, but rather worship no gods, because the term Satanists in it's "modern day" sense is from LaVey.

This is of course excluding Theistic Satanists, who, like what was said earlier, believe in a deity called Satan, Lucifer, etc etc.

Read The Satanic Bible, like was recommended, and it will be pretty clear as to why many Satanists today do not worship a god, yet at the same time call themselves Satanists. It was to start a revolution in the way people thought, to throw off the shackles of old oppressive believes, to be rid of the superstitious fear of Satan and his minions by taking on the very title of that which we have been told to believe in and fear.

Satan means the adversary, so a Satanist in turn is the adversary to society and old beliefs.

But Again, this is up to your discretion as at the end of the day, what is prised most is the individual and their progression and advancement. If what works for you works, then go with it, while at the same time be always willing and open to new ideas and trains of thought, because you never know where the next pinnacle in your personal advancement will occur.


Edited by Nyarlathotep2012 (05/11/08 02:17 AM)
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#9724 - 06/21/08 04:43 PM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Tony]
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i call myself a satanist although i dont believe in satan i do model satan.whene i preform rituals its in the name of satan.if you were to read the bible and payed real close atention you could see satan is more of a behaver,such as being pridefull,lustfull,hatefull.so if this is satan then i am a satanist.because i am lustfull,hatefull ect....in that horried book satan always questioned god and a few other things.i question everything, again a satanist or satan.so these or some of the reasons i call myself a satanist.
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#9738 - 06/21/08 08:48 PM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: 999]
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I have a rather simple definition. "Real" Satanism is left hand path and is thus the opposite of Christianity and other right hand path spiritual religions.

Christianity and right hand path religions try to practice the eradication or submersion of the ego into some universal force, often defined in a supernatural or theistic sense. Proper LHP Satanism therefore would be atheistic or nontheistic and instead focus on Self-Actualization in this life (not self-negation and focus on an afterlife).

Worshipping any being as a deity is self- or ego-negation and is inherently a right hand path practice (whether one terms it Christianity, Judaism, or "traditional or theistic" Satanism). At least Buddhism is honest in its goals as it clearly states that it sees the self as "unreal" and thus something to be dispensed.

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#9744 - 06/22/08 01:20 AM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: 999]
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Holy hell, is your space bar broken? I'm going to use this post as an example. Satanists consider themselves elite. That means we rise above the common heard in all aspects of our life and how we present ourselves. That includes a proper grasp of the English language, spelling, and grammar. Not limited to that, but how we interact with our fellow man and conduct ourselves in public. This being a Satanic site that caters to a modern satanic viewpoint, and generally caters to Levayan writings, may I remind everyone of a couple of general rules of thought?

When in another's lair, show him respect, or do not go there. This is another's lair. Namely, Xear's. We are guests here. Some of us have been appointed gate keepers (in green) and others have been appointed as elite(in blue). If you don't see fit to just follow a few basic rules and present yourself as a member of the elite, then shuffle along.

If a guest in your house annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy. Not necessarily directed at you 999, but some of the others that bitch about being taken to task by other users for puking drivel on the board. While the meat of your post made sense, it qualifies for unreadable. No use of capilization, proper spacing, and the spelling is atrocious. There, I used you as a whipping boy. Slow down, think out a response. This applies to all the users here, not just you.
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#9753 - 06/22/08 03:20 PM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: fakepropht]
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OK,I have done said that the key pad that I am useing is indeed broken, some of the letters don't type out whene I push them.YES, sometimes I dont use the caps properly,and my spelling is not all that great.I am not sorry for anything I've said.I do apoligize however, If I've said something to offend someone.I did not try to post anything offencive.I will try to spell things better. If I must I'll get a dictinary.Thanks for for the shruide critisism.
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#9760 - 06/22/08 08:55 PM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: 999]
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Another way to spell-check (depending on what browser you're using) is to highlight the text you're typing and right-click. Select "Spell Check" or something similar. It will go through and any word it finds misspelled, will list alternatives for you to replace it with or ignore. It's not a grammar checker though, but it's a start. It also never hurts to click the "Preview Post" before you hit "Submit", just to proof-read your post beforehand.
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#10195 - 07/12/08 04:03 PM Re: This should be in Satanism 101 [Re: ta2zz]
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Yeah after I got more into critical thinking I tore out the second half of the book too.
Doesn't mean I don't understand or could not do a ritual. I just don't.
I feel the philosophy of Satanism is important.
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#10228 - 07/15/08 03:01 AM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Nyarlathotep2012]
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I would like to say that I'm new to all this, but I'm a little confused. I have noticed alot of people call themselves satanist but they don't really believe in satan as a deity. This to me is confusing because it sounds to me as your just an atheist, and your basically using satan to mock the christian religion. why not just call yourself an athiest?

Well maybe it would help if i said Satan and his principles can be seen as symbols representing a force in nature. And not as an unseen,untouchable creature. I will never say i'm theistic or atheistic, i'm neither. I'm just a human who has the ability to think, do and is.
Also i will not mock the church for the things it had done wrong in the past or in the present nor for their way of thinking. I will only mock the people who mock me, and let bad things happen in the name of his beliefs but who are only for his good.
I will not blame christ because of the words he said or the deeds he had done. I only blame the people who abused his words to gain power over others. I only blame things personally and never towards a whole group of persons because there still is a chance you turn innocent and wise people against you.

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Yeah after I got more into critical thinking I tore out the second half of the book too. Doesn't mean I don't understand or could not do a ritual. I just don't. I feel the philosophy of satanism is important.

Maybe because the philosophy is based on human instincts and the natural way of thinking and not a sort of dogma who wants you to oppres your feelings to "have a better life".


Edited by Dimitri (07/15/08 03:07 AM)
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#10284 - 07/18/08 07:40 AM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Maybe because the philosophy is based on human instincts and the natural way of thinking and not a sort of dogma who wants you to oppres your feelings to "have a better life".

I disagree on that last point.
The way I see it, the rituals are there for people who may no be able to deal with their emotional baggage very well, and so they are included as a means to rid the person of their baggage, rather than have them constantly think about their problems and get stressed about them. After all, stress can lead to all sorts of health problems if it gets out of hand. The rituals are just there as a guideline to helping the individual deal with his negative emotions more constructively, rather than letting them consume the individual.

Of course, it is up to the individual whether they perform any of the rituals from the Satanic Bible or their own variant. So long as they hurt no-one, including themselves, I see it as an okay thing to do.

Don't mind me; slight disagreement there and a little brain fart...
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#10288 - 07/18/08 11:42 AM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: DistroyA]
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Don't mind me; slight disagreement there and a little brain fart...

Why shouldn't I mind with your disagreement if you are totally right?

I agree with your view about the rituals, but I was talking about the so-called holy rules in other religions and not the rituals.
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#10321 - 07/22/08 03:19 PM Re: Different Types Of Satanist [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
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Don't mind me; slight disagreement there and a little brain fart...

Why shouldn't I mind with your disagreement if you are totally right?

I agree with your view about the rituals, but I was talking about the so-called holy rules in other religions and not the rituals.


Oh right. Whoops. Sorry, I kinda got my wires crossed there. Yeah, I get what you mean now, and I kinda agree with you on that level. But in essence, the rituals ARE the dogma of Satanism. Hence me feeling like I was disagreeing there.

But yeah, we need less prayer, and more emotional release is what I say.
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