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#9149 - 05/28/08 06:50 AM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: SATANAS]
Amina Offline
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Satanas, try hitting the "Quote" button and not the "Replay" button when you replay to someone. This way others will be able to know who or what you are answering.

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#9150 - 05/28/08 06:55 AM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: SATANAS]
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satanas did you not say you would heed my advice when you first got here? 21 post in 2 days and not one of substance just you aruging over if Ramirez was a satanist. ta2zz explained it beautifully to you

A true Satanist would say I did what I did because I wanted to, and have no need to think otherwise… One might also say a true Satanist would never get caught because they would be smart enough to know what when and where to do or not do something…

the only thing i can see and may help you see anothers point of view is this.. since you so fond of quoting lavey and your very definition of a satanist by what anton had to say about it..look at this way .had Ramirez done these things to some one that had seriously wronged him ,this would have be the act of vengeance (satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek) no matter how deranged the act, Ramirez would have destroyed his enemy. but that is not the case.

now granted lavey talks about indulgence but also of living a vital existence how much indulging can you do on the inside waiting to be snuffed out? have you done any time?,i have and the options for indulgence are very limited and time on the inside is far fucking from a vital existence.

stupidity is one of the satanic sins yet Ramirez got caught,strange indeed.

(responsibly to the responsible)yet the coward could not say that he did it because he wanted to as ta2zz so eloquently put it.no Ramirez needed to do what xians for centuries have done and blame the big bad devil.

so these reasons along with what every one else on their thread said should show you that even by your idols definition (ie anton lord of all that is satanic) that Ramirez was not a satanist in his eyes. but if this is what needed to get thought to you how are that far off from an xian praising jebus?
anton has become your Messiah ,your king of kings. a satanist lives in no man,gods or idols shadow

think for your self that is the first fucking step in living as satanist.

at either rate if you keep posting this amount of of post in so small a time frame with no substance my Alaskan friend ,you will get your ass banned very soon, im actually suprised you have not been already. heed my adivce and just mellow out do some reading on the site.
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#9152 - 05/28/08 07:52 AM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: rob_church]
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 Originally Posted By: rob_church
since you so fond of quoting lavey and your very definition of a satanist by what anton had to say about it..look at this way


One could also add that LaVey was very much pro law and order. It is okay to act in self defense and kill someone who attacks you, and casting a curse in the hope that the victim will die, but I don't think LaVey would recommend actually killing the person, at least not unless you are 100% sure to get away with it, and maybe not even then. In connection with LaVeys view on sexuality he explains that compromising someones sexual freedom by forcing then to do something they don't want to do is to act against *there* sexual freedom. One would think that if you think raping people is bad, killing strangers would be at least as bad. I would think that killing is the worst thing you can do in regard to compromising other peoples freedom...

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#9177 - 05/29/08 02:00 AM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: SATANAS]
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 Originally Posted By: SATANAS
like when i say that i worship the devil - shit im a satanist - i like to say it - i like people to know - im proud of it - im rollin with the devil - do you not feel this way ?

Do I feel the need to proclaim myself or my beliefs in such a simple manner to other like-minded individuals? The answer to that is NO I am not that needy… The need for shock value has dwindled since high school... How about you?

 Originally Posted By: SATANAS
and though you come off as a rather nice fellow - im not - i dont need to capitalize my i's to be a satanist - thats what i am - or did you think you were the only one –

Heh you have not done anything to bother me beyond your first silly pm to me… Even so it only showed me your ignorance as to how this forum works… You apologized for that so I will give you time to adjust…

So until you need to see differently consider me a nice guy… You do not need to do anything you can sit lazy and stagnant only impressing teenage girls and lost young men with your rhetoric… Call yourself Satanist I stand amused… 10 years of your form of Stagnatism err-ah Satanism

I am nothing like you sir, I understand fully what I title myself…

Thanks

~T~
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#9185 - 05/29/08 07:43 AM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: Amina]
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 Originally Posted By: Amina
I would think that killing is the worst thing you can do in regard to compromising other peoples freedom...


When comparing killing to raping, I tend to keep the latter worse. Sure, death can be quite limiting to your freedom, but so is rape and you have to live with it the rest of your life. Some have been able to overcome it, but some carry the emotional scars the rest of their lives and it may be limiting what comes to their relationships and intimacy.
Personally I'd rather be dead than incapacitated.

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#9187 - 05/29/08 08:02 AM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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 Originally Posted By: MaggotFaceMoe
Personally I'd rather be dead than incapacitated.


I don't believe in any kind of life after death. Being alive at least give you a chance of something good. Not all can overcome rape, but then again, some people commit suicide because of broken relationships or because they hate there own looks. Some break easy, some get stronger when faced with crisis.

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#9188 - 05/29/08 09:14 AM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: Amina]
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Sure thing, I've met few who have had the strength.
But then again, you wouldn't know you're dead when it actually hit you. No time to cry about it then \:\)
Of course it's only my opinion, and should something terrible ever come way I might feel otherwise and start looking at life from a different angle and respect it more.
It's just that even when I'm content, I rarely see anything special about life, and just wonder what it would be like when all comes crashing down.
And I don't think it's because I can't be strong when facing difficulties, it's more about the meaningless of it all. I don't see life as sacred, it's more like a moment's luxury.

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#9189 - 05/29/08 09:19 AM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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 Originally Posted By: MaggotFaceMoe
But then again, you wouldn't know you're dead when it actually hit you.


I know, but my kids would miss there mother etc. I guess you don't have kids yet...

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#9190 - 05/29/08 09:29 AM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: Amina]
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Nope, not yet.
I see your point. Guess my take on life would be a lot different should I also have offspring.

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#9191 - 05/29/08 10:05 AM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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First off, I am not in a bad mood Nahara, I simply point out what I see. Call them as I see them metaphor. So quite literally, I'm trying to give you the kick in the ass towards the right direction, while letting you find out which way that is.

Satanas, I can see where your coming from. I don't agree with you on this Ramirez guy but I can see your point of view on Satanism. It sounds although, like you have a lot of learnign and research to do. You sound a lot like you would coincide with the beliefs and moral grounds of Traditional Satanism. Worshipping satan more of as a Deity rather then self-power. I try to be fair on what I see as fair. I won't be harsh to the poitn where you won't listen, I will be harsh to the point where you will see the truth. You don't needa PHD to be here, but true Satanists in general are prided in the fact that we are above the sheep, who seem to follow what everyone else says and does. We pride in knowing what we are talking about, and if we are to claim the right to call ourselves 'Satanists', then we know we must knwo what that title entails.

"Know what you preach, before you preach it. Know what you claim, before you claim it".

Feeling great because you're "rollin'" with Satan, sounds liek somethign a teenager tryign to rebel would say. I can understand how you might, if you did research, would feel elightened. In truth, all us true Satanists, feel higher, or empowered. I say this in the sense that, we know we are higher in knowledge in knowign the truth, knowing that we aren't following like sheep. We all are alike in some way, but we obtain the higher ground by self-empowerement. Herin lies where we are stronger, better than the rest. The trick is finding out who the fakes are, and the truly enlightened.

But who knows, I could be wrong. I state my opinion, but each will derive from what I write in eash his/her own way. But that is what makes us all different Satanists, we see thinsg in each our own way.

P.S. Don't mind Isaak, he always posts like that. Random ramblings of incoherrant child. I think he takes this stuff out of his local text book. but hey, you never know. Personally, it soundskidn of like he found it chalked in the sidealk and decided it sounded smart. The only time it makes any sense at all, is when it's written like that. It's an imporvement from his past posts, that's for sure...

Also I'd like to state that, however brilliantly any individual proves you wrong, or proves his points. No matter how much power they have over you in a specific forum, doesn't mean they are the sole Satanist. In sayign that, I would find it an insult to other Satanists; who would have perhaps otherwise just not bothered with troubling over such petty arguments and theories.





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#9399 - 06/05/08 02:02 PM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: PigFeeder]
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My version of personal Satanism is rather unorthodox; while I take a lot of inspiration from LaVey and The Satanic Bible, I do not unite with the more objectivist/Nietzschean aspects of his philosophy and personally subscribe to a Marxist-Leninist perspective. In a sense, I view Lucifer as being the first revolutionary- a revolutionary leading a people's army against a violent, tyrannical god. Thus, for me, Satan is an inspiration in my opposition to religion, capitalism, and slavery of the mind. I still believe in the full power of the individual, but knows that, as Marx said, "In order to assert themselves as individuals, they must overthrow the State" (The German Ideology).

Some have accused LaVeyan Satanism as being nothing more than Ayn Rand with horror movie props; if that is true, one could accuse me of being nothing more than Karl Marx/Antonio Gramsci with horror movie props...

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#9405 - 06/05/08 08:31 PM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: Agrippa]
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I do not unite with the more objectivist/Nietzschean aspects of his philosophy and personally subscribe to a Marxist-Leninist perspective


Do you live in a Socialist country, or do you simply subscribe to their idology, from a capitalist one?

The "collective" ideology, only works if there are big enough guns keeping their people under control. Try speaking your mind against the government in China, see how understanding your comrades there are.
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#9494 - 06/10/08 07:32 PM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: Asmedious]
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Do you live in a Socialist country, or do you simply subscribe to their idology, from a capitalist one?


No, I like in the U$A, as unfortunately there are no truly socialist countries in the world at this time. However, the new Democratic Republic of Nepal seems to be coming close, and the revolutionary struggles in India, the Philippins, Bhutan, and Peru are breathing new life into revolutionary communism and bring great hope for the potential future.

Lucifer, for me, was the first revolutionary. He rebelled against the first (albeit fictional) bourgeois oppressor, the God who was a fucking oppressor in Heaven and Earth... He fell, but He still fights on. Yet, He Himself does not act like a "god" over us (metaphorically speaking, of course). As The Satanic Rituals says, the entities we call upon in our rituals should be seen as equals as brothers... as comrades.

To me, Satan represents the liberated man, man free of oppression, exploitation, and tyranny, whether it be from God, king, priest, president, or capitalist. Under communism, man will be able to be free as both individual and as a whole, and thus will be able to live naturally as humans- not simply cogs in a system that brainwashes them and tears them to pieces when it has no use for them. To me, "Hail Satan!" does not just mean "Hail Thyself!" (although that is very important!!!), but it also means "Hail Humanity!" "Hail the People!".

Now you're probably wondering "sounds great, but LaVey teaches us that man is the most savage animal of all, and human nature is incompatible with communism!"

Not so. Is there human nature? In a sense, yes. We have basic instincts and emotions that all humans have. However, how those instincts manifest can take many different forms.

As a person who does not believe in God, I find there something majorly wrong with the argument of "human nature" overall... By this argument, it is suggested there is some "magical force" within all people that makes them evil. Furthermore, Marx pointed out that the view that human nature dooms socialism to failure merely reflects the production relations within capitalism (and the society that it builds). Bourgeois economists assume that production relations within capitalism are somehow eternal (but just looking at human history since the rise of the State until the advent of capitalism shows that this is terribly wrong), or in any case the pinnacle of evolution for human relations, and that changes in society will always be in bourgeois ways.

There ARE certain characteristics to human nature that are brought out by capitalism... This is all part of the fact that UP UNTIL NOW there has not been a BASIS to eliminate scarcity and the struggle for individual existence. Greed is a SURVIVAL technique, and only when it is needed to survive- and you DO need it to survive in a system like this- is it triggered within humans. Now, however, a material basis for humanity to eliminate scarcity has been established, and the persistence of capitalism is actually a hindrance to the further liberation of productive forces... and thus a hindrance to the growth of humanity as individuals and as a whole. NOW a social revolution is possible- and urgently demanded- to move humanity beyond on all that and to a new stage of human history... a Satanic age, if you will ;\)

If you have any further questions about communism, I would be happy to answer them. I've been a Communist for 6 years now, and an anti-capitalist since I was very young, so I have some decent grasp on Communist theory, so I might be able to answer your questions about the history, nature, and theories.

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#9497 - 06/10/08 08:02 PM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: Agrippa]
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I dont believe that everyone is equal.
I dont believe that every job someone does is worth the same amount of money as any other job.
I think that greed may be a motivational tool just like the drive to succeed is a motivational tool.
I see too many people willing to sit on their ass for a check instead of doing something/anything to earn a paycheck.
If I am busting my ass, I am damn sure that I am going to make more money than someone sitting at home with a kid or an excuse.

"a material basis for humanity to eliminate scarcity has been established"
What do you mean by this?


"a hindrance to the growth of humanity as individuals and as a whole."
I find christian religion to more of a hinderance than the government in this respect.


"the persistence of capitalism is actually a hindrance to the further liberation of productive forces"
I can agree and yet disagree with you on this.
It is a companies financial interest to make money. If they can improve a product for cheaper cost, they will do it. On that same note, is the reason why usa jobs have moved to India (cheaper costs).
With that in mind, is the same job an american does worth more than the same job an Indian does. No, not really, but it is the cost of living, and a reasonable living wage that the company doesn't wish to pay.
With that in mind, I dont see a communist government lasting long if it will pay equally its workers in India, and the usa. It will just outsourse everything, and pay people in the usa nothing.

With all that in mind, most people will still do the least amount of work possible if they can help it. Under your system, would people be forced to things they dont want to do, or be put into labor camps?

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#9507 - 06/10/08 11:09 PM Re: What makes you a Satanist [Re: Agrippa]
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To me, Satan represents the liberated man, man free of oppression, exploitation, and tyranny, whether it be from God, king, priest, president, or capitalist. Under communism, man will be able to be free as both individual and as a whole, and thus will be able to live naturally as humans- not simply cogs in a system that brainwashes them and tears them to pieces when it has no use for them. To me, "Hail Satan!" does not just mean "Hail Thyself!" (although that is very important!!!), but it also means "Hail Humanity!" "Hail the People!".


Do you not realise that under Communism, you either have or you don't? You are member of the State. You are sworn to the betterment of the State. You work for the state. You give your earnings to the state. It's all for the betterment of the state. Unless you are a ranking official of the state, you are just a cog in the wheel that benefits the state. Communism and Satanism are so opposed to each other, it's like oil and water. I don't know what propoganda you have read, but it was wrong, as to your statement that I quoted. Keep believing that pipe dream. Hmmm, it wasn't that long ago that communist poeple were burning funiture for heat and the price of bread equaled the current price of gas. Very elite, very Satanic.
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