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#8636 - 05/13/08 01:15 PM Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism
Japster Offline
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I have read the Satanic Bible now and I'm currently reading books of ONA. There seem to be a lot of differences between the Satanism potrayed in the Sananic Bible and Tradition Satanism. Which one is the right one if they are different and what makes you say the one is better than the other?
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#8641 - 05/13/08 05:05 PM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: Japster]
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The right one is the one you decide is right for you after (hopefully) doing a lot of research and rumination. Don't let anyone here tell you what you should or shouldn't believe or follow. Doing so makes you less than human. Always aspire to more. Never become satiated with the knowledge you have.
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#8644 - 05/13/08 05:48 PM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: Octavius]
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traditional Satanism and Satanic Bible: isnt it all refer to satan?????

isnt it the belief and worship of satan????? for me its the same.. you deceide for yourself.

stand bold and erect

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we have stand the persecution of catholic christians in the dark ages before we can stand now...
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#8645 - 05/13/08 06:39 PM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: gods418]
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"traditional Satanism and Satanic Bible: isnt it all refer to satan?????"

NO, ONE IS LITERALLY, ONE IS METAPHORICALLY.


As Octavais stated, make up your own mind. Decide for yourself. No one can tell you what is your own belifs inside. Do your own research, and follow your own path. Be your own leader, not a follower, aspire to be more.


"we have stand the persecution of catholic christians in the dark ages before we can stand now"

Actually, those were mostly falsely accused witches, jews, and muslims depending on where/when you are talking about. I can see that english is not your primary language.


In order to stand, one must first learn how to crawl.
In other words, one must learn and understand the past before they can stand for a better future.
Then of course, becareful of what you are standing in.......

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#8663 - 05/14/08 12:40 PM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: Morgan]
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I agree with you guys in saying that I must decide for myself, but as I have no contact with other satanists it becomes difficult to get the material to do proper research. Therefore I asked for someone to explain it to me.
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#8674 - 05/14/08 05:56 PM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: Japster]
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Read the book again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Read the posts about suggested other books to read.

If you dont want to do simple research on your own, well....

You have to take the knowledge, and internalize it.
Then mull it over, see what makes sense to you, then decide what is the next step for your path to knowledge.

If you want to be a folower and just have shit spoonfed to you well, thats another story.....

You have to slowly learn to take all information available and think on your own.

Morg

(Not being sarcastic at all)
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#8709 - 05/15/08 11:31 PM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: Morgan]
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Japster, one of the greatest things about Satanists and Satanism is the fact that you must seek out your own truth. Satanism has a lot to do with self-realizatio nand seeking out the truth. You must first do the work and research if you wish to gaze upon true knowledge. You cannot expect knowledge to be handed down to you. Delving into history and aincient knowledge, working for the information, that shows true loyalty and true dedication. We won't tell you what you should believe in. You have search it out and then look into an area of which covers and represents your beliefs and morals better than any other.

Good luck to you on your journey of enlightenment.

~~Snow~~.
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#8722 - 05/16/08 03:28 PM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: Japster]
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 Originally Posted By: Japster
There seem to be a lot of differences between the satanism potrayed in the Sananic Bible and Tradition Satanism. Which one is the right one if they are different and what makes you say the one is better than the other?


You could try to read a little academic literature on the different forms of Satanism. This could give you a kind of overview of the different kinds and what they stand for. What is the best kind? This is a subjective religious question of the same type as when a Christian try to figure out if catholicism or protestantism is the best faith for him or her. It is not an objective or academic question. As a satanist you are a bit more lucky then the Christian who have between 20.000 and 30.000 different kinds of Christrianity to choose from, because we have fewer kinds of Satanism and because the different kinds of Satanism differ much on very central points. Some forms are atheistic, others theistic and so on. LaVey would be a god place to spart if you want a rationalistic/atheistic kind of Satanism. The ONA would be great if you want to mix a theistic would view with racism and magic (a bit like a mix of the the Christian KKK and Wicca). The Temple of Set if you want to try out a theistic kind of Satanism with an Egyptian flavor and a focus of personal development of the magical kind. You could also try the Satanic Reds if you like eastern kinds of religion, socialism and mixing of all kinds of traditional beliefs.

- Amina

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#8725 - 05/16/08 03:47 PM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: Amina]
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Go home Amina, save your academic literature for Geraldo. I've enlightened the brother already. He has enough to read. He has already made up his mind. I missed you, have you been chilling on your ice burg... lol... get it? Chill... ice burg... scandinavia lol?

-Kalya @_@


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (05/16/08 03:59 PM)
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#8727 - 05/16/08 04:08 PM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
Go home Amina, save your academic literature for Geraldo.


Kayla, back off. If you don't want my opinion, don't read what I write. By the way: You are off-topic.


- Amina


Edited by Amina (05/16/08 04:12 PM)
Edit Reason: Adding a few words

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#8736 - 05/17/08 12:26 AM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
Go home Amina, save your academic literature for Geraldo. I've enlightened the brother already. He has enough to read. He has already made up his mind. I missed you, have you been chilling on your ice burg... lol... get it? Chill... ice burg... scandinavia lol?

-Kalya @_@


You've enlightened the brother already? Well, as long as he got his opinions from someone of your caliber I'm sure he's on the right path...YOURS.

Here's hoping all the newbies aren't as eager to ram their heads up their asses and take your word as law.

"Sell crazy someplace else. We're stocked up here."
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#8737 - 05/17/08 12:44 AM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Amina's got alot more to offer this site than your regurgitated crap.

Yes you've enlightened the brother all the way to your WSA site.

Soon you'll have a whole army of two bit hoodlums to take over the world with. Gee you're such an inspiration. LOL

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#8738 - 05/17/08 01:19 AM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Required reading for brothers and sisters of the WSA...

Such a little manipulator we try to be...

Your basically nothing but an admitted post count whore... Time to move along little one your existence is meaningless to any here...
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#8740 - 05/17/08 02:08 AM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: ta2zz]
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ha finally i get the 325 (The White Star Acception) to funny now that joke in pm makes me laugh even more kayla..enjoy your army \:\) if some one chooses to follow a master or join a cult. wich the more i read about this wsa that is what im seeing, they deserve what they get and i applaud you for weeding them out..just remember quality over quantity when you have to recruit what do you have? you have followers.but followers don't equate to satanist just cannon fodder so more power to you and your cult:) who hasn't wanted their own private army, good to see your making that happen and to use the followers why not, if they don't follow you they will follow some other person any ways.


good luck girl:)
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#8741 - 05/17/08 02:34 AM Re: Laveyan Satanism or Traditional Satanism [Re: Japster]
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@Japster - Morgan told you to read again already and she used 20 something exclamation points. Please don't come back asking for a spoon-feeding. We put in our own work here. I understand that we were all new once but you need to do your own research. Not many of us know other Satanists in the real world either. A lonely path, indeed. Luciferific tried to help you out and you're not even coming on here to say anything?

@Amina - Not that you need my opinion on anything, but I respect you as a person and I feel that your posts are quite insightful. Welcome back...

@Octavius - You're right. Not one person's opinion on what Satanism is is not the right path by any means. That's the beauty of Satanism. It may take many books to enlighten, it may take none. It will never be one book that does it. That would make us Christians - heretical or otherwise.

Ta2zz - Kayla doesn't need me to defend her but it's unfair to say that she hasn't contributed anything worthy here. As far as post counts go, who really cares about that? I, for one, sure don't and I don't think that she does either even though I'm not going to claim to speak for her.

As far as WSA goes, people who choose to join are grown-ups and can make their own informed decisions. We are, after all, Satanists too. We are just people with common interests getting together, much like all of us do here.
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