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#8902 - 05/22/08 05:44 PM Government Health Care
Phillip Offline
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I was just wondering how the Satanic Community at large feels about the idea of "Universal" or "Government" Health Care.

I personally feel it's gotta be one of the worst ideas ever, for several reasons.

Health care isn't a "fundamental human right", as Hillary put it. It's a commodity. If we give everybody the "right" to health care, we take away the doctor's right to say, "Fuck you, I'm on vacation", or "Fuck you, pay me." Medical care is a commodity, straight up. The more of it you buy, the longer you can expect to live, broadly speaking. If you're worried about dying, sell your car and go get a checkup.

Government funding for anything means that I (and you) have to pay for it. I don't wanna pay for health care for some fat-ass motherfucker that eats three cheeseburgers and smokes two packs of Camels every day. And if I'm not gonna pay for MY OWN fat ass, why the hell should I pay for anyone else's?

There's my rant. I'm really curious how the rest of this community feels about it, though. What do you think?
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#8911 - 05/22/08 08:09 PM Re: Government Health Care [Re: Phillip]
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Well we already have it in Australia and have for as long as I can remember. I would hate to have to go to the US system.

I'm pretty left wing when it comes down to it and I truly beleive that education and medical should be free. If that means I pay a little more in taxes then so be it. Although personally I'd rather see big business pay more in taxes, as it's a well known fact that white, middle class males pay the majority of our taxes and get the least in return.

I'm speaking in Australia, although I don't think it's that different in the US as far as middleclass males picking up alot of bills.

Zeph
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#8912 - 05/22/08 08:31 PM Re: Government Health Care [Re: ZephyrGirl]
fakepropht Moderator Offline
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I hate the idea. It costs me $15-25 to see a doctor or a specialist. That's less than some idiots spend downloading songs, videos, or ringtones. Give up your goddamned HDTV with 500 channels and get a health plan.

If it were to be controlled by the government, bet your last dollar they would place a million restrictions on it. Don't smoke, don't drink, anyone overweight pays more. Preexisting conditions cost more. Ride a dirt bike? Pay more. Work in a stressful or taxing environment, pay more. Personally, I like paying my $15, getting a checkup or having a situation attended to, getting the usual lecture about living a healthier lifestyle, and going on about my business. Whether I smoke 2 packs a day, or drink a 5th of vodka a day, or eat McDonalds 3 times a day, I still pay $25 to see my cardiologist or general practitioner for those chest pains or shortness in breath. Besides the notes he puts in my medical records, there is no other penalty or black balling me for living a less than a perfectly healthy lifestyle. Too bad so many Americans feel it is more important to buy the latest digital toy, buy an overpriced see me vehicle and put a $1000 stereo and dvd system in it, or spend $200 for a pair of jeans, rather than insure themselves with a medical policy. Then have the audacity to bitch about it.
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#8913 - 05/22/08 08:32 PM Re: Government Health Care [Re: ZephyrGirl]
Phillip Offline
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Ok, but, wait...if I have to "pay a little more", how is it "free"? Aren't those mutually exclusive concepts?

What if I don't WANT any health care, and I'd rather spend my money on a 'Vette?

Personally, right now, I spend zero dollars on health care, literally. I haven't been to a doctor in like nine years.

I like it that way. Nine years ago, I was REALLY sick, and coughed up the bucks to get it handled. For me to pay even a little more would mean I'm getting ripped off. I'm pretty sure I would, in response, be at the doc's every three weeks, stocking up on good meds. I'm pretty sure I would take more out of the system than I put in, in retaliation for my being forced to put in at all, and I know there are many many people who would abuse the system WAAAAY worse than I would.
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#8915 - 05/22/08 08:50 PM Re: Government Health Care [Re: Phillip]
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Cool, I'm not going to get into a debate about it, because it's meaningless to me anyway. You are in the US I am in Australia. I like have public health and I'm glad that we have it.

I'm glad you have enjoyed good health for a while. Do you pay for health insurance, or accident insurance currently?

For the majority, paying for it only when they need it, ends up with them in HUGE DEBT because of unforseen accidents.

What little extra you may pay, is then a bit like insurance. It's for a rainy day. Or are you that niave that you think you'll never need any medical attention again in life?

Zeph
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#8916 - 05/22/08 09:12 PM Re: Government Health Care [Re: ZephyrGirl]
Phillip Offline
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I spend zero dollars. No health insurance, no accident insurance.

I am absolutely positively certain I will never need medical attention. The worst that could happen is that I die, which is (probably) gonna happen eventually, whether I buy thirty or thirty million dollars worth of health care.

I'm equally certain I will WANT it at some point, however. (I think one of the biggest problems in society today is that people often think they NEED things they really only WANT, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.) I may even want it bad enough to pay for it. I broke my hand about three years ago, and thought about seeking professional help for it, but ended up just laying it on the concrete and having a buddy whack it back in place with a dictionary. It's fine now. Had it been other people's (tax) money, I'd have been soaking up x-rays, rehab, and painkillers like mad. Wasteful.

If I was really worried about it, I'd go find some health insurance somewhere.

Another point I'd like to bring up regarding taxpayer-funded health care is that I haven't paid taxes in about nine years either--yet another reason making fakepropht pay for my doctors visits would be bullshit.

(btw, Hi fake. You probably don't remember me, but I remember you. Long time no debate. How goes it?)
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#8917 - 05/22/08 09:25 PM Re: Government Health Care [Re: Phillip]
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Hmm..you're right, Zeph. It's not supposed to be a debate. I'm supposed to be information gathering here. Sorry about that.

I'll try to make that the last of my ranting.
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#8918 - 05/22/08 09:55 PM Re: Government Health Care [Re: Phillip]
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Dude, I'm sorry, but needing to go to the doctor is alot different to wanting to.

Your example of your hand is cute and I've done that too, when I've broken my hand in a fight and couldn't be bothered going to the doctors about it (just to be told their is nothing that can do anyway), but if you had a serious leg break, with bone protruding from your leg, you would need to go to a hospital. Don't give me that, but I coudl let it repair naturally and be a cripple, because that's just a load of rhetoric. You and I both know that no one in their right mind would choose that second option.

It's actually a silly argument really. I don't beleive for one minute that you will choose death over going to the doctors. Sorry.

Zeph
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#8919 - 05/22/08 10:05 PM Re: Government Health Care [Re: Phillip]
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 Quote:
I am absolutely positively certain I will never need medical attention. The worst that could happen is that I die, which is (probably) gonna happen eventually, whether I buy thirty or thirty million dollars worth of health care.


I beg to differ. A few years back, I had what I felt was a minor ailment. At the insistance of my wife, I went to the doctor. I was right, it was minor. But what they found during the checkup wasn't. I had high blood pressure. The silent killer. There are no real warning signs. Things don't hurt or turn purple. Had I not gone in then and had it found, it's a real possibilty I could be dead now. Personally, I ain't finished living my life just yet.

That hand that you "fixed" may in the future cause you serious problems. So you saved us taxpayers $.05 each by whacking it with a book. However, 10 years from now, that hand may cause you to no longer be able to perform whatever it is that you do to earn a living.

Very uncanny, but I just received a phone call from a dear friend and business partner not more than one paragraph into this response. He is currently in the hospital. Had a mutant 3rd lung removed. Turns out the asthma, infection, and pnuemonia he had previously been told he suffered from was wrong. After emergency surgery, and nearly dying from not being able to breathe, he will be ok. He also doesn't have medical insurance. He is both scared from the experience and the mounting medical bills. He put off going to the doctor, figuring it was just his "asthma" acting up. Until he could no longer breathe and inhalers did nothing. It took a team of 20 to save him. He was given a breathing tube without being sedated for fear he wouldn't wake up. He also received a catheter and removal without sedation for the same reason. He told me it was the worst pain he had ever experienced. Mind you, this is one tough ass, born and raised in the bad streets of NY, bad mother.

I do vaguely remember you. Either by a different name or the same. I have to cut this short, since I have a few things to do to help my friend out.
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#8927 - 05/23/08 08:03 AM Re: Government Health Care [Re: fakepropht]
Cody Offline
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Registered: 09/16/07
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Rely on doctors/hospital's and your insurance company, either way you paid for that care whether through taxes or debits to your paycheck. I rarely/never got to the doctor except in the case of dire emergencies, which I have never experienced yet. I prefer to heal my wounds in my own time, my "timeline" seems sufficient to me.
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#8933 - 05/23/08 10:27 AM Re: Government Health Care [Re: Cody]
Phillip Offline
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Registered: 04/22/08
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Same name. Wow, a third lung? Don't think I've ever heard that one before.

I agree, if I ever run into serious medical issues, I'm FUCKED. It's really just semantics, but I don't NEED to not be a cripple. I just WANT to be able to walk. I want it pretty badly, too. Bad enough to pay for it, even.

In the meantime, however, I'd sure like to just collect that nickel from each taxpayer and put it in my pocket. But people would never go for that, and I don't think it would be fair for the government to force them to.
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#8961 - 05/24/08 03:18 AM Re: Government Health Care [Re: Phillip]
lillith Offline
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I remember when I was young and indestructible! Then I went for one of those routine checkups and found I had some type of cancer that men dont get... Needless to say Australia rocks when it comes to health care. Things go a bit pear shaped (health wise) after your mid twenties. Imagine my horror when my Dr said the 30's are the worst, when everything from the last 10 years comes back to haunt you, I have never smoked, rarely drink, and would have been totally screwed if not for our health system.
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#8977 - 05/24/08 12:54 PM Re: Government Health Care [Re: lillith]
Isaak w shipley Offline
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Most people that I know do not have health care a bit more than a sterilized cow gives milk.I think it is unbelievable,and a sin against humanity brought to you by the Goverment itself.In other countries,the Quote upper civilized,like the canada and Austra.
You lucky S.O.B.'s Do not even question the quality or the simple term if you recieve health care.You take it for granted which is not your fault.Do not take offense.I envy you.
It's apart of the big plan of Genocide here in the land of the free to cut off the atleast a 3rd or more,I would say more
of us here in the states.
They want us to suffer
They want you to not last.
Trust me.
I know first hand,having to deal inside their rules of
Engagement.You think The Goverment wants you to flourish?
Horse shit.....
They want you to Fuc#ing starve,beg for docs and not make it
to work because gas will soon reach 666 a gallon.
6dollars66cents.
You think the big suits care about your health?
why when they are busy spending it on prisions and Gravesites.
If you do not agree that's fine,if you do say Uncle inbreeding Sam.......


"You are nothing to Me."
Tax dollar signs.
"Me,The Goverment."

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#8998 - 05/24/08 09:36 PM Re: Government Health Care [Re: Isaak w shipley]
lillith Offline
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Registered: 05/10/08
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Loc: brisbane
I can tell you now that most Australians that I know dont take it for granted (ie, the ones that work for a living) and dread the day Australia becomes a mini America with regards to health care. I certainly did not take it for granted, I counted myself lucky every step of the way. It might be paid for by my taxes, but it seems like one of the most sensible things to spend it on.
We live in a free world dude, if you dont like it, do something about it.

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#9006 - 05/25/08 12:35 AM Re: Government Health Care [Re: lillith]
Isaak w shipley Offline
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I think you misunderstood my point?
I Envy you.Quote
I am working on doing something about it,but in regards of respect,hell-fire-brimstone!The Americans are Jimmi Swaggering futher apart,instead of doing.Like you say they just talk.What are you doing about it dude?
Quote if I do not like it do something.I am working towards that goal.
I meant no harm to anybody,just simply the truth,which hurts!
Very badly,indeed.I feel in a race on the clock.
You soon will be also.
I know that you work and work hard to have good health care,but your Goverment has the one system in-place already for those who are lucky for years now but "The System will Fail,Crack and then crumble. Though the net is tighting,grip is slippping,America is totally out of touch with the health care luxury.Soon because of other less-lucky they are taking our shit here in the states,Muslim nations are ruling the pumps with over 8% of America owed to them now.
So If I should do something about it dude.
Then Help instead of critizing and pushing further from the
issue.....
I want a group thinking in one accord.
Do you think you could shed some of your light this way?

What do you think should be done?
Please Help!

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