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#8987 - 05/24/08 07:05 PM Satanists anti social?
Kon Offline
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Seriously we all know the "emo" movement is never going to
actually help anyone on their path to self enlightenment (aside from maybe LinkinPark), but past that. I would suppose many of you followed your own paths on your way through your high school years, some of us are probably still in HS, the anti everything nature could prove only that satanists dislike themselves more than anything.

There are reasons the christian church believes the world and everything in it is evil and impure, anti anti anti. Since this is the case they are obviously "better" than everything around them. Or whatev. Understanding the flaw of xtian mentality, is quite simple for me. You obviously hate who you are, so you need support (or brainwashing). It's not my fault you won't admit you're suicidal. Deal with it.

At the same time, if you truly dislike yourself enough to simply be pushed into the occult for leadership or even conviction....
lol

It's a lot simpler than I ever expected. I was anti everything as far as I can remember.

Dissociation is a psychological process involving alterations in identity or sense of self. These alterations in sense of self can include: a relatively mild and transient sense that the world or the self is "unreal" (derealization and depersonalization); more permanent states such as amnesia ...

all this just leads me back to human nature and the question I was asking.. is anyone here considered clinically insane? Schizos and insomniacs have the best autobiographies...
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#8990 - 05/24/08 07:25 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Kon]
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ha i love me, im the sexy center the world revolves around talented, cunning,and i fuck like a god whats not to love i am the goddamn devil and when i perish so does this world.

as for the anti everything i don't like most humans because they are fucking sheep. look around what is their to like? bar stars, and wiggas doing what their programmed to like ,fearing what they are told to fear and reciting what they are told to say like fucking robots.

we have a terror alert yellow people lol oh is that the new phone form the snoop dog video? jebus please smite my enemy,need i say more?

most people are slaves either to their government,media,the collective or creator gods in the sky,what the fuck is their to like about a slave other then their obvious usefulness?

i heard after 3 tabs of acid your a clinically insane so i bet most people here are in that category:)
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#8994 - 05/24/08 08:23 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: rob_church]
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Yeah I'm a slinky fuckin snake in the bed too.

Though change can be shallow and some people need drug or religious addictions, or a crutch, anything to believe they've been more educated than others. Though, with true enlightenment, education can take you far within knowledge, though power is only exercised through precise human will.

There are too many who do not take advantage of their life.

I'm surprised Mequa hasn't come down to gaze @ life with the "peasants" yet.

Oh I never said I was smart, just a smart ass. \:\)
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#9005 - 05/24/08 11:45 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Kon]
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i would have to disagree with your blanket statement of christians being "anti anti anti". perhaps some are, among them the more fundamentalist of the bunch, and perhaps a sizable chunk of those who are professionally christian (ie making money off it), but for the most part christians are indoctrinated to love all men, believe they are created equal, give thanks for meals of turkey, donate money to starving children, and other assorted do gooder things.

when a christian blows up an abortion clinic or holds a sign that says "god hates fags", that person has no more in common with my grandmother (a life long christian) than she does with a muslim fundamentalist.

if you are a satanist do you ritualistically kill house pets, or listen to evil music while shooting up schools???
i certainly don't.
(I prefer country and western when commiting crimes against humanity.)
yet that would be a blanket statement repeated by a thoroughly indoctrinated christian, or many uneducated non-christians.

satanists shouldnt worry, care, fret, or nitpick over christians. seriously.
who gives a fuck what others do with their souls?!
"we" should be concerned with ourselves and loved ones, and let the rest of the planet do what it always has and always will do. by realizing that we can assimilate and manipulate, and possibly dominate... or at the very least find peace. and happiness.


and as far as being clinically insane...
when I was a young fella, it was really cool to claim to be of american indian heritage. every hillbilly dipshit at the bar would start spouting off with detailed percentages of cherokee blood.
there were a lot of blond blue eyed braves running around back then.
none of them had that tribal membership card that helped them get college money though, because they are still at the same bars, fatter, stupider, and much less optimistic about life.

today the same thing happens except all the indians have black fingernails and are clinically insane.

well... I dated one(uh...4 technically) lady who is a schizophrenic, and another who committed suicide due to massive and unfuckingtreatable depression, and I can truly say that the reality of being a raving nutbag is much less appealing than just claiming it.

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#9027 - 05/25/08 08:52 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Bacchae]
Kon Offline
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whoa, you took everything I said out of context. Though dynamite answers I agree. You know you should have thought about what I meant before going off and blatantly assuming everything I said had something to do with a hatred for xtians.

I don't dislike or otherwise simply write posts to point out how much I hate christians, there is cause, effect, and comparison in my post. Just a bit of background for the basis of my question.

It's called fact.

If you're referring to me or anyone else here when saying things as if someone with a mental disturbance has used it as a crutch or for some type of alter agenda, then you've completely lost sight of the question.

It is quite simple, schizos, insomniacs, manic depressives, or any otherwise psychologically disturbed people usually have the best autobiographies. Whomever wrote catcher in the rye was obviously not of stable mind or conscience, or Edgar Allan Poe, Van Gogh, and most writers and the truly artistic usually have psyche problems.

It is what it is dude, nothing more than a question, nothing less.
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#9029 - 05/25/08 09:53 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Kon]
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i don't assume you hate christians. i was commenting on the second paragraph of your 1st post. your vehement rhetoric aside, when I say "you" I do not mean You. I don't know you, and I don't come to discussion boards to argue.
the second half of my post was anecdotal. i could'nt care less who thinks they are crazy.

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#9030 - 05/25/08 10:58 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Kon]
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A few weeks ago, I thought of posing a similar question to my fellows here on the forum: As a Satanist, do you tend to push people away from you? It has nothing to do with being anti-Christian, or anti-human for that matter. After reflecting on my behavior and emotions I've gone through since posing myself that question, I'd have to say that no, I don't push people away, I keep them at arms length until I can decide if I want them to have any further invovlement in my life.

Other things I've noticed is that I tend to be less socially polite to people I see everyday, mainly my coworkers. I have little tolerance for their trials and tribulations, even when they have "been there" for me (with no little self-interest involved, of course). I disdain throwing out compliments when they aren't deserved, of sympathizing with their pathetic complaints. I can't even muster a glimmer of enthusiasm. It's a shallow and petty kind of "acceptable" behavior that I've become extremely antagonistic to, and I think that little revelation is what set off the anti-social question in the first place, since my behavior has greatly distanced me from these people. And yet I sleep more soundly at night that I ever have before. Amazing, no?

On an unrelated note, I had to chastize one of my coworkers, a lady in her mid-60's who works in customer service, that thinks just because she's been with the company from the start, she's immune from correction and being put in her place. It was long overdue, and felt wonderful. I gave it 4 stars. I'm rarely in the wrong at work so I rarely have to be admonished. But if I am, I take with the best grace I have at that moment, and move forward. I don't try to "play dumb", like this lady did. Apparently she didn't see the fucking security camera that is set up on my computer in streaming video.
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#9088 - 05/27/08 05:12 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Nemesis]
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I agree.
It does not have anything to do with
The religions or Anti-Establishment.
I tend to lean toward being alone
because if people are not with you in-tune
with you they hinder more than help.
We the real people know this.
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#9089 - 05/27/08 05:23 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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Sorry Kon u are right.
I was mislead to believe you dissed me.
I am a open minded person,Who has battled Severe
Depression from illness.
I do not Expect a postcard or Sympathy.
I really dig the Photo.
Ghastly and True.
Please Forgive My agressive towards Misunderstanding.
I ask but do not Expect to recieve.
I love Edgar Allen Poe.
I love Artistic Expression.
I love and lust for life.
So many around the bible belt are so Hypocritical.
They do not realize that they are shitty humans at times also.





Self-rightousness is a killer.
So Is self-Denial.

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#9118 - 05/27/08 07:37 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Nemesis]
Kon Offline
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A well-balanced post Nemesis, something of a black and white mentality. Spreads like a viral infection, repetitive technical work? (I'm assuming now).

Logic can hinder emotion....now when you say giving compliments when they aren't deserved, you raise my brow.

If I was going to hit you with a shovel I wouldn't tell you beforehand. Just saying if you talk to them on a day to day, why not mix it up a bit. Compliment, then correct, or critique. Then, the next time just act like you give a damn. hard for me too...
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#9119 - 05/27/08 07:47 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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Isaak I have no answers for you.
Piece of mind is worth all the criticism in the world to some.

ahahahahahahah....HAAAAAAAAAAA!
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#9127 - 05/27/08 10:12 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Kon]
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I define undeserved compliments such as, "Wow, your hair looks great!" (it looks the same everyday) "Your baby's adorable!" (obviously not due to your genetic contribution) "Wow, your 5-year-old drew a bunch of rainbows and trees, amazing!" (your kid's a fucking brat) "You did what you were supposed to do? Good job, dipshit!" Basically just stupid, inane, everyday compliments that are deemed "polite". Idle chit chat can get on my nerves too.

Some days I'm more agreeable, and I throw everyone for a loop. 75% of the time I'd like nothing more than to get my work done, not converse with anyone, not have my coworkers come up to me and engage in one-sided conversations that disrupt my concentration (that really gets me bitchy), not come up to me with jobs they fucked up and I have to hear their pathetic excuses (I'm not the boss, why the fuck are you telling me about it?), looking for sympathy because they have so much work to do and they are just SOOOOOO BUSY (as if I'm not) Things like that. Other times I come into work and I'm in a great and sociable mood, I'm nice, helpful and all sorts of other good stuff.

Now, when it comes to meeting customers, or comrades in my industry in a social setting, I'm polite, cordial, and get into a "how can I gain your interest in the company I work for"$$$ kind of mindset. It's just people I see every fucking day that drive me batty. They're nosy, gossipy and can't keep their opinions to themselves.

I work in a wholesale optical lab, and most of the positions there are repetitive/no-brainer stuff. The "grunts" do that kind of stuff. But I have changed positions so many times, gaining skill each time, that I can perform every station in the lab, most better than others, as well as several things up front in the mailroom, editing, and bookkeeping positions. I'm all over the place every day, which I'm grateful for because I get bored very easily. My work keeps my brain sharp, while others' are being slowly ground down to a nub because they lack the skills and/or desire to learn anything new.
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#9183 - 05/29/08 06:40 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Nemesis]
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When the anthropologist Edward J. Moody studied The Church of Satan back in the 60'ties and early 70'ties he described its magic as a kind of therapy. Many of the Churches members had some kind of social handicaps in dealing with other people. The Churches psychodrama helped people deal with personal issues like the fear of dealing with the opposite sex, and normal social skills like dressing appropriate and handling interactions with other people was presented as lesser magic.

I would think that Satanism in its different forms could have a special attraction to those who have difficulties dealing with other people. The stigmata of Satanism can be use to explain why one do not succeed socially, or it could be use to write off other people as morons. I don't know if LaVeys Satanism could be used with success by people with real social handicaps. The idea is, that one can learn how to deal with people when one wants to gain something from it, but I would think that it only makes it even harder to relate in a natural and healthy way. The Satanic Witch is a good example - I think I would go insane in less then a day if I had to act like a satanic witch anno 1970 to get what I want! Plying roles and viewing other people only as objects one has to manipulate is not the most psychological healthy way to deal with other people, and real knowledge about people skills can be gained from better sources.

- Amina

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#9184 - 05/29/08 07:16 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Amina]
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I really don't have any problems dealing with other people. Ask anyone, and they'll tell you I'm friendly, outgoing, crazy blah blah...

I think that the reason I've become so anti-social at work is that I am forced to be around people that normally I'd have nothing to do with, for 10 hours a day. That'll drive anyone crazy. I started out being nice to everyone, but then everyone started dumping their work on me. I'd do it anyway (and more besides), because it garnered favorable attention from the boss, and resulted in pay increases over the years. Now that I'm at the top of the food chain, so to speak, I have no need to pander to these idiots. Any professional relationship that might result will be on my terms, and ends when I want it to.
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#9186 - 05/29/08 07:54 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
I think that the reason I've become so anti-social at work is that I am forced to be around people that normally I'd have nothing to do with, for 10 hours a day. That'll drive anyone crazy.


I agree. Some people just looove being around a lot of people all day, but most people get stressed out when they have to deal with people who they have not personally chosen to be close to (like pigs staying in too small stables). If you where one of those people who just loooooved personal contact with all kinds of people, you would probably also have chosen another profession!

- Amina

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#9195 - 05/29/08 12:33 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Amina]
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Absolutely. I'd probably be in a sales profession instead of a lab/technical one if I loved people! I'd definitely be making more money. But I've always preferred working by myself. Even as a kid, I wanted to work alone and undisturbed, because I was more efficient and did a better job than if I was constantly being interrupted. I also do terrible in a retail position. There's only so much ass-kissing and "take it with a smile" garbage that I can stand before I lose it. The customer can go jump in front of a bus, as long as I can do my work in peace
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#9220 - 05/30/08 12:31 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Nemesis]
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Me too.. My parents said at the age of four I closed my bedroom door while sitting in my rocking chair reading an encyclopedia while all five of my sisters and other kids were convoying from place to place every minute. I couldn't stand it when they'd all barge in..I guess I just always have an agnda in mind and the only disruptions or detours I don't mind are those of my own doing. Maybe I'm kind of a bitch, but I can't help grind my teeth when nonsense disrupts me. ..I'd honestly say that 95% of the time, I would much rather hear myself think, as way out as that can be at times LOL! .. than hear the bullshit of others if it's not pertinent to "Doc's day planner. " ..truth be told!
(Straightforward as i can be, I don't think many people mind, my being a loner, either!) BUT, those I care for are always certain of how much I do. So long as that remains stellar in their minds, I'm content.


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#9248 - 05/30/08 08:06 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Nemesis]
Kon Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis

I work in a wholesale optical lab, and most of the positions there are repetitive/no-brainer stuff. The "grunts" do that kind of stuff. But I have changed positions so many times, gaining skill each time, that I can perform every station in the lab, most better than others, as well as several things up front in the mailroom, editing, and bookkeeping positions. I'm all over the place every day, which I'm grateful for because I get bored very easily. My work keeps my brain sharp, while others' are being slowly ground down to a nub because they lack the skills and/or desire to learn anything new.


You know I used to think it was all grunt stuff, the repetition and lack of challenge... thinking quick on my feet as I breeze through tasks in the workplace gets me the exact reactions you just described from coworkers. Funny thing is, it wouldn't matter if you were an engineer, or coded Oracle for a living....that most assuredly isn't classified "grunt" work I hope...
When you've done something technical for so long, it's all repetitive.

You're not going to find the cutting edge, I could chase the sun on foot and have a better chance....lol nvm.

Though...I'm not saying that learning new things is something you can ever stop either.

Man this is way off topic, ahhhh..hmm. You know Nemesis if you were a part of some research or cloning devel group I'd say otherwise, cause well that's not just lights and clockwork, or logic now is it? The creativity or ingenuity of the human world astounds me, without it we wouldn't have half the technology we do.

There are many who without some branch into the particular direction they would like to go with their knowledge or education, wouldn't be happy. They use every wit they can sharpen at work, and sometimes even turn their favorite hobbies into goldmines.... when someone has that much to say or do about things outside of work, they are usually seriously fucking starved for appreciation and challenge....fuCK!lol.

Most of us have a lot to say. Underachieving was never my goal, lol. I love my job.
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#9274 - 05/31/08 12:19 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Amina]
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WHy should self-loathing push one into occult studies? Would that not be more akin to self-love? Seeking your own ends through said studies? As for anti-social behavior, I don't think a true satanist is anti-social so much as he is selectively social, which really should apply to any rational human being. Not every human being is deserving of your attention and caring. Evaluate people you meet, size them up, be judgemental. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" is Christian for "be amoral and everyone will love you."
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#9933 - 06/30/08 01:36 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Nemesis]
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Funny, I've been thinking about this too.

I've decided I am not anti-people on principle. Actually I crave people. But I am extremely picky. I am very bothered by insincerity, inauthenticty, and self-compromise, in others just as much as in myself. (I admit I tend towards Satanism just because I like honesty, rather than any "might is right" way of thinking, which also means yes, I think you can be true to yourself and generous to others at the same time.)

Though I really need people, I find myself often avoiding everyone just to stay away from annoying ones, who are pretty common to me. I am not proud of this; I consider it a weakness.
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#10021 - 07/02/08 09:42 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Sinthesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Sinthesis
I admit I tend towards Satanism just because I like honesty, rather than any "might is right" way of thinking


Was it not Ragnar Redbeard's "Might Is Right" that good ol' Anton partially plagiarized for his miraculous Satanic Bible?
So in that light your statement, I think, needs some explaining...
I have always felt that "might is right" is the way of a satanist.
It is the lion amidst the sheep. A predator by nature in a way.

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#10102 - 07/06/08 08:33 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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i think through pain and self loathing it causes us as a species in general to grow . anything or anyone content leads to stagnation . i say satisfaction IS the death of true desire . to be happy is the goal . to be satisfied brings indolance and i would rather strive with the fire in my heart and the strength in my veins .

being self satisfied means you are FINISHED in your journey on the left hand path . "i" would rather continue mine!
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#10227 - 07/15/08 02:55 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Nemesis]
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I don't know. I think I'm rather insane, and friends tell me the same. But I haven't been to the psychologist in a long while. : P

As for Satanists being anti-social? I think it depends on a person. I don't think being a Satanist makes you anti-social. If you are, it's because it's how you are, not because you're Satanist.

As for hating myself? I don't see how that fits in, but no, of course I don't hate myself. Being a Satanist, that would be sort of a contradiction, don't you think?
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#10243 - 07/16/08 05:54 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: SevenDeadlySins]
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Through pain and self loathing sounds like the way of the emo...
Quite often is self loathing bred by insecurities and failure. Should such be applied to Satanism it would be like turning Satanists into emos...
Self loathing just for the sake of keeping your self from ever being satisfied sounds just plain stupid. And the same goes with pain.
Pain is what you get in life, and is also present in some rituals (not talking about satanic rituals) but to inflict it upon one's self just as a reminder seems a bit weak willed.

And I don't think satisfaction equals stagnation. What's wrong with being satisfied with your achievements, it should only encourage to achieve more, once you've seen your up to the task. It should be self evident that positive outcomes encourage better than failures, and satisfaction is a kind of prerequisite for a healthy life and mind...

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#10305 - 07/20/08 01:18 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Salem]
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I wouldn't consider myself necessarily antisocial, though I do at times imbibe so much stupidity from the mouths of my fellow countrymen I feel the need for long stretches of solitude. My frustration usually stems from discussing what I consider to be worthwhile subjects, only to have my statements met with blank stares or wild tangents wholly unrelated to my topic.

I'm a stickler for courtesy, so I'll make an excuse to leave and politely thank them for their time. I needn't subject myself to anything I deem less than worthwhile, but I try very hard to foster positive relationships for the utilitarian purpose of having vouchers for character should I meet with any misfortune requiring it. Lesser Magic is something to be mindful of.

I almost view my day to day interactions as something akin to a very elaborate play, which allows me to filter my dialogs through a theatrical lens and thus alleviate a tremendous amount of disgust I'd acquire through traditionally absorbed social interaction. They see what I allow them to see, and as they fall victim to my glamor all parties walk away without menace, as I'm sure we'll find ourselves cast in a scene together in the future.

I'm not implying that I fool myself into thinking I'm their superior at first glance; such a proposition would be dangerous and potentially insulting to an equal, or, dare I say it, a superior. If revealed to be weaker than myself, I realize I have a potential cog in some future machination, and treat them accordingly. Even if I consider them inferior, I'm aware enough to understand they may have a concept or three to teach me if I'm astute enough to listen. In the case of the equal or superior, I realize I may potentially have a confidant, and a source of practical wisdom I can apply beneficially to my own life.

That being said, there are certain individuals I'll avoid at all costs, as I've determined they offer nothing of value and continued association is at my personal expense. I've no right as a Satanist to complain about a situation I need not subject myself to.
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#10338 - 07/24/08 09:49 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Xande]
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My personal opinion is, that most people see Satanists as anti-social based upon the one fact that, we are reserved. In saying that, I'm heading towards our principle to think about what we say before we say it. So in doing this, we end up talking less then the ignorant filth that infests much of our habitat, society, of our world.

Some of us get so sick of this endless stupidity, that as Satanists, we take it upon ourselves to leave, remove ourself from the mindless sheep that seem to be multiplying and infesting, and we seek solitude. Coming out when it is benefit to us.

Just my opinion.




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#10342 - 07/25/08 03:19 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: PigFeeder]
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I’m also quite reserved and have found that I only get seen as anti-social if I look a certain way. If I wear black I’m anti-social, if I wear colours I’m just that quiet girl. Interesting. I wear less black than I used to and even though I’m a lot less social and extroverted now, I’m not thought to be as anti-social by people in general.

Not profound, just a thought.

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#10374 - 07/29/08 10:00 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: psiren]
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Well in truth , the reason I made the following statement above is because true satisfaction means to be complacent. You have everything you could want. What I meant about pain and self-loathing used for growth is what makes human beings so spectacular is that we ATTEMPT to change what is making us unhappy constantly. As far as that being an "emo" statement , I would make sure you KNOW whom you are calling emo before rattling off nicknames. I AM NOT EMO.
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#10379 - 07/30/08 06:47 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: SevenDeadlySins]
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 Originally Posted By: SevenDeadlySins
Well in truth , the reason I made the following statement above is because true satisfaction means to be complacent. You have everything you could want.


Not once have I seen or heard of a man, who one day just sat back realizing he's got all he needs and stopped craving for more...

 Originally Posted By: SevenDeadlySins
As far as that being an "emo" statement , I would make sure you KNOW whom you are calling emo before rattling off nicknames. I AM NOT EMO.


Maybe not, but that sure is an emotional response \:D I didn't even call YOU one, just criticized what was said. And had you put it out some other way, it wouldn't have sounded so emo. But when the focus is on proposed pain and suffering, one can't help but think of emos...

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#10381 - 07/30/08 04:16 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Kon]
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A bit off topic.......but what the hell happened?

I'm seeing some really great discussions, and awesome writing in these threads lately.

Shit, often I find myself out classed, out witted, with nothing left to add.

I love it!!
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#10460 - 08/03/08 03:42 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Asmedious]
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That's fair enough. I see why you would have taken the post in that context.
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#10502 - 08/06/08 01:52 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Asmedious]
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Asmedious, I totally agree with you. When I am at my most quiet, is generally when others are saying what I think, I don't want to repeat it and sound redundant.

I think I know what happened though...........

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#10514 - 08/06/08 04:24 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Satanist are not Anti Social, there just Proactive. We have to be careful how we react,don,t want to scare the straights lol,Damain.
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#14114 - 11/09/08 05:07 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Damian]
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Antisocial? I would think that we tend to be adaptively social overall, and probably selectively social individually.

It's not as if we're hiding in caves or in that scary shack on the outside of town with curtains drawn, talking only to our pet crow, YOMAMA. We live in the world and therefore we react and interact selectively with that world around us. We adapt to the mundanity of the world in which we must exist, all the while reserving our own worlds for ourselves and the selected few we might choose to share it with.
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#14119 - 11/09/08 08:06 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Jake999]
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I am antisocial to an extent. I have alot friends and I have no problem hanging out with them. However, a good portion of the population I don't know and I don't want to know. Sure I'll talk to the occasional stranger or aquaintance at the bar. I am not going to automatically become all buddy-buddy with them though.

My friendship is something people have to earn. Should someone show themselves to be ignorant, or an asshole, or I just plain don't like them for any reason; there is a damn good chance I never will like them.
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#14122 - 11/09/08 08:32 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Amina]
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I definately think the whole "anti-social satanist" thing is because of people were around. Personally: i am not a shy person when im around people like me. when im around people, say..christians, you cant get a word out of me. I believe it all depends on who youre a round :]
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#14157 - 11/10/08 03:55 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Chelsea_Grin]
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Yes it deffinatly depends on who you have around I do agree.
I always find myself asking if I really think having a conversation with someone that is speaking to me is really worth the time. Because out here in Iraq you are stuck with the same group of people and eventually people just get bored and do a lot of stupid shit. Which when this happens turns me off to wanting to attempt to speak with them on an intelligent level.
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#14368 - 11/13/08 05:27 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Ringmaster]
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I wouldn't say we are anti-social. More like "selectively social". I have many friends that are close to me, but I don't bother in idle socializing with people whom I don't care for or are not worth my time. Nor will I pretend to like people I have no interest in.
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#16508 - 12/19/08 04:37 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: The Zebu]
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Maybe. Sometimes. Yes. No.

This is a "christianized" society, like it or not. "Satanists" by their very nature, and what a nature, will most likely not go with the grain (internally).

This is dealt with individually, and involves many complicated issues of such an individual, so that can't be classified or "summed up" for easy digestion.

However, if you want to get technical, then investigate the DSM-IV, and look up "AntiSocial Personality 'Disorder'" - and therein maybe some knowledge. You will find, perhaps, that most individuals here may share some of the "indications" for such "disorder".

Good luck, "truth-seekers".
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#16521 - 12/19/08 10:31 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: daevid777]
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I do, actually. But I don't care, and nor do I have an "us-vs-them" mentality about society. In practice I focus on a by-individual basis.
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#16542 - 12/19/08 08:40 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: The Zebu]
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I find this whole discussion ridiculous.

Of course Satanists aren't inherently anti social!

The only reason a Satanist would be anti-social is if it suited his purposes to be a loner. But since people are social animals, and Satanists are people, and Satanists tend to excel..guess what?

Satanists tend to excel at social activity. What exactly do you think lesser magic means?
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#16555 - 12/20/08 12:27 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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"Antisocial Personality Disorder" is what I meant in my response, not antisocial on a day to day scale.

Ted Bundy would be a good example of what I'm discussing - or maybe a "bad" example... but he was a sexy-beast, nonetheless.

Many, many people with this type of "Personality Disorder" go the distance to excellence, and are quite social as it suits them and their needs.

Hope that idea wasn't lost.
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#16556 - 12/20/08 01:40 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: daevid777]
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Oh, no. I wasn't really responding to you. APD is a whole different thing. I understand the point you made.

I am just sick of the idea that Satanists are dark outcast loners or something. It just aint so.
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#16558 - 12/20/08 02:27 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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You know, people DO get some strange ideas about you if they know you're a Satanist. I've had people come to my home and be shocked that the place isn't painted black and red inside... or that my kitchen appliances weren't black (I suppose for cooking Satanic meals)... or that I didn't have a ton of Halloween kitsch. One woman thanked me for not raping her when she left.

I do have a big ass fireplace with a mantel. Someone once asked me, "What do you do with THAT?" I told them, "I light a fire and keep warm in the winter." They looked disappointed.

I suppose it's from seeing too many movies, or listening to too many "experts." I suppose there are people out there who play up the part... maybe to bolster their own self image... maybe to impress someone... but I've always let what I say and what I do show who I am. Usually, that leaves the impression I want.
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#16573 - 12/20/08 05:47 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Jake999]
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I think it's important to be ABLE to get along with anyone. Sometimes my own personal divine plan involves interacting with strangers - pretty often actually. I take these interactions very seriously. I live in a town of 4000 people right now, and social intercourse can come back to bite you in the ass in a place like this. It would hinder my progress on my personal agenda to be labeled "antisocial" or "hermit" or "blasphemous heretic".

I understand LaVey was pretty gregarious. How else can you keep your finger on the pulse of your environment?

Here's a question - if you tell someone what's really going on in your head and they think you're joking, is that a social success or a failure?
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#18639 - 01/22/09 11:34 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis


I think that the reason I've become so anti-social at work is that I am forced to be around people that normally I'd have nothing to do with, for 10 hours a day. That'll drive anyone crazy.

You ain't kidding there...
Have you ever thought of opening up your own business? I currently work for myself doing what I love for a living. When you figure on the fact that you are going to be working for about 50 years of your life, it better be doing something you love to do. Also, why spend all that time making your boss, owner of the business and others around you rich when all that time can be spent making yourself rich? Not just financially but in happiness and quality of life as well. Just a thought. Cheers.
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#18646 - 01/23/09 07:18 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: GarrettProAudio]
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Well, with that I am in a bit of a conundrum...my boss IS my boyfriend, and he and his dad own the company. Plus, I moved in with him, so when the business does well, we can afford to go on 10 day cruises to the Caribbean in a junior suite with a huge balcony, among other things. So when I make my boyfriend rich, I benefit.

However, we WOULD like to start our own business, if and when the current one gets sold off. And it most definitely will NOT be in the optical field!
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#18939 - 01/25/09 11:51 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Picunnus]
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What's wrong with being given a label? It makes no difference how others see us as long as we remain mindfull of the things we need to, for example, the activities of daily living. Being Satanists, it slants us to a certain perspective and ways to go about handling matters. Is that social or anti-social?

Frankly, I don't care about how people interpret the things I do.
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#18995 - 01/26/09 04:39 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: paolo sette]
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 Originally Posted By: paolo sette
What's wrong with being given a label? It makes no difference how others see us as long as we remain mindfull of the things we need to, for example, the activities of daily living. Being Satanists, it slants us to a certain perspective and ways to go about handling matters. Is that social or anti-social?

Frankly, I don't care about how people interpret the things I do.


And there's where you screw yourself. It matters a lot what others think, regardless of whether or not one feels secure enough to admit it.

I fucking HATE having to consider what others think of me. But here in the real world, their opinion can mean the difference between 90K/year and 12K.

Labels are bad unless they are helpful labels. I'd rather be considered a soccer mom than a satanist if that's what I needed to get where I wanted to go. Matter of fact, according to many, I would CULTIVATE the label of soccer mom if that's what got me there. The art of blending in is ALWAYS relative to attaining your goals. Ask any serial killer.

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#19008 - 01/26/09 07:32 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel
The art of blending in is ALWAYS relative to attaining your goals. Ask any serial killer.


Yes, that is very true. But damn, now you all know I am a serial killer. Oh well, good luck finding any of the bodies. \:D
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#19017 - 01/26/09 08:26 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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The art of blending in is very important when I'm out mingling with the masses...I hate having to consider what others think of me too,but it would be detrimental to myself if I didn't- getting everyone offside by exhibiting antisocial behaviour and flaunting my beliefs for all to see wouldn't pay off for me at all - the roof over our heads, and the food in our bellies rely on my ability to be a warm and engaging person when the situation calls for it - an antisocial salesperson makes a pretty shit wage, if their even lucky enough to keep their jobs for more than a week.

I look at it as "playing a role" every day as I'm sure a lot of people do.

Out of work,I mostly keep to myself- I'm just that zany lady who plays the drums and hangs out with her dogs - re' my appearance, people are probably more likely to class me as a hippie than what their idea of a Satanist probably is, and that suits me just fine.

I don't want my Satanic Self sticking out like dog balls on a canary for all to see...
It's who I really am, and laying it out there for all and sundry would be akin to "wearing my heart on my sleeve" and that concept is repugnant to me.

I have my "antisocial" patches, where I just prefer to be by myself, playing my music and recharging my batteries, but most of the time, I'm a warm, gregarious person, it pays off better!

You definitely catch more flies if you use honey instead of petrol. ;\)
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#19024 - 01/26/09 09:26 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: spiderbreeder]
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My social skills are well developed and I use them for fun and profit. Yet my relationships tend to be shallow by my standards because as a Satanist I'm comfortable with my shadow and most people aren't. For example, no one who knows my real name is aware of my fetish of watching pretty girls drink booze until they're incapacitated.
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#19171 - 01/28/09 04:45 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Zoid]
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Sometimes it's better to keep your fetishes to yourself in certain circles- for example, ever since I found out about my Manager's fetish for being anally rogered whilst trying to breathe around an Amyll-soaked orange stuffed in his mouth, I just haven't been able to look at him without picturing him doing this....

Keeping quiet can be a very good thing, I reckon!
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#19173 - 01/28/09 05:24 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: spiderbreeder]
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 Originally Posted By: spiderbreeder
Sometimes it's better to keep your fetishes to yourself in certain circles- for example, ever since I found out about my Manager's fetish for being anally rogered whilst trying to breathe around an Amyll-soaked orange stuffed in his mouth, I just haven't been able to look at him without picturing him doing this....

Keeping quiet can be a very good thing, I reckon!


Amyll-soaked orange... Amyl acetate? Amyl nitrate? This is new to me.

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#19181 - 01/28/09 07:44 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Zoid]
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Amyl-nitrate.....

If you inhale it , it sends you off into spin-out land, in my bosses case, it probably enhances the feeling of being anally rogered. \:o

Apologies to the Moderators, I't just struck me that we've veered right off the thread topic....

Back to talking about/being antisocial.
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#19188 - 01/28/09 11:12 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: spiderbreeder]
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Why be anti-social when you can use others for your own benefit? Maybe some "gothic" idiots who shop at Hot Topic exercise anti-social behavior under the illusion that Satanists possess a hatred for others, but 99% of those dolts aren't Satanists. People are disposable and always around to help me whenever I please. Besides, a life without interesting conversation would be very... boring.
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#27647 - 07/28/09 05:53 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Kon]
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Satanists... Anti-social? How ridiculous...

I mean, I hate people because 90% of them are backwards minded excuses for a sentient life form, but shit, if I;m going to walk outside my house, looks to my left, then look to my right and see people, everyday, why not socialize. I mean the wilderness isn't calling me yet, I still have years of my sanity to cling to before useless wretches drain the color from me completley.

Personally, I'm reclusive, I enjoy my privacy and what I do in my private time is no ones damn business. But when it comes time to talk, why not. I'll exchange pleasantries with people if I have to, make a friend or two we'll go out have a good time, I'll be me and insult the hell out of people, because it's just who I am, and I don't care. And when that's over it's back to business as usual.

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#27917 - 08/04/09 07:28 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Jesse]
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I say that I hate people, but the truth is that it's more a disappointment than anything else. That disappointment is no more apparent than in my dating life. If I happen to find a guy who can carry on an intelligent conversation, he invariably turns out to be a troll, or lives a billion miles away, or has some heretofore unknown mental issues. And let's not even begin to go into what seems to be a mass sexual dysfunction...

Keeping to yourself in your personal life, though seemingly antisocial, is probably the best thing that anyone can do if they don't fit the mold of social norms and carry the torch of whatever is currently "in". Out in public, however, I hold fast to the belief that it is better to appear in your sheep's clothing. Especially if you are in a position where you have not established yourself. Once you are established, it matters a hell of a lot less where your convictions lay.

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#27918 - 08/04/09 08:05 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel


Once you are established, it matters a hell of a lot less where your convictions lay.



Frightening to males. Or at least to those that aren't seeking approval. \:\/


Edited by Azathoth68 (08/04/09 08:07 PM)

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#27920 - 08/04/09 09:20 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Azathoth68]
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It seems you may have misunderstood the meaning of that sentence, though simply trying to "split hairs" is probably a more apropriate assessment of your reply.

It seems that only a person who thinks on the smallest of scales could interpret that in such a narrow way.

I love how people want to turn their nose up at others who don't "fit the satanic mold" by "looking like a Satanist" and try to say they are "seeking approval" just because they don't have Pentagram tattoos on their faces or run around in black yelling "hail satan!". Unless you plan on making your millions by being an openly satanic sort, such as LaVey or even that two bit marilyn manson, then it is obviously counterproductive to snub society and be the big bad TSB toting rebel.

For all you know, Bill Gates could be a Satanist. He can definitely fit the profile. There are loads of highly successful people who ARE Satanists, regardless of how they APPEAR TO LIVE.

What purpose does it serve for someone who is just beginning to establish themselves as a professional to openly declare themselves to be something that is barely understood, much less condoned by the masses? So far, I have seen no evidence presented by all of you who cry "approval seeker, sheep" etc., that proves this theory wrong. I HAVE, however, seen incidences of the same people who criticize the Satanic chameleons crying and whining on other threads about how no one understands you, the cops hassle you, your parents don't accept you, etc etc blah blah blah.

Aside from the fact that one-liners are frowned on, until you can come up with some proof of someone who was openly Satanic and able to climb a corporate ladder, become a three star general, or any other such accomplishment, then I will hold that your opinion is shit and mine is ideal.


Edited by ceruleansteel (08/04/09 09:21 PM)

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#27922 - 08/04/09 11:07 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Well, M. Aquino became a Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. Army while being openly Satanic. At least he was the one of the only ones brave enough to stick to his beliefs when he knew what price he would have to pay.
Corporate heads? Who knows...I'm just new here. \:\)


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#27923 - 08/04/09 11:34 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Azathoth68]
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Colonel Aquino was ONE person... I was another. I was openly a member of the Church of Satan throughout my military career and openly worked toward getting my status as a Satanist officially recognized. Eventually, my official military records were corrected to show my religious preference as Church of Satan, as do my official dog tags.
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#27928 - 08/05/09 06:46 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Jake999]
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Hi Jake,

I am just curious, as this may have some relevance to my own situation: how early in your military career did you make your Satanic affiliations known?

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#27932 - 08/05/09 09:39 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: god.over.djinn]
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I joined the military in 1969. I was openly a Satanist by late 1971. It took until about 1985 for them to finally enter Church of Satan in my religious preferences and deliver my dog tags with the Church of Satan designations. The wheels of change in the military seldom move swiftly.

What I think one of the things that worked in my favor was the fact that I was on the combat mobility team. Every time we did an exercise (which was frequently), you had to go through a long processing line and they checked your military records...

"blood type: A+ (CHECK),
marital status: married (CHECK),
religious preference: other (DISCREPANCY) Church of Satan. The records are wrong? Yes. Do you wish to amend? Yes. Change "other" to Church of Satan? Yes. Sorry Sarge, there's no code for Church of Satan. Make one. Submit a change. I can't do that. Find someone who can."

So, when someone finally got tired of taking write ups that never got resolved, change occurred. That didn't mean it was automatically accepted. From that point on when I went through the processing line, the chaplain would usually verify my religious preference, get a smirk on his face and ask, "Well, do you want to change your religion?" My response was always the same. "No sir. Do you want to change yours?"
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#27933 - 08/05/09 01:25 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Jake999]
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In my case I was completely open about it from the moment I joined the Church of Satan in 1969. And on the whole the Army enjoyed it.

Nor did it hurt my career; in 1986 I was the sole USAR officer in the nation selected for the general-officer-anointing Industrial College of the Armed Forces. Unfortunately at the same time the "Satanic Panic" was sweeping the country, and Lilith & I were conspicuously targeted by it. Came through it OK and I continued in good standing (and above-TS security clearance) until I retired in 1994. But Senator Jesse Helms made it his business to see that there would be no eagles, much less stars, for a Devil-worshipper. That's "Beltway politics".

Where the Armed Forces were & are concerned, much credit for not just official toleration of Satanism but of all non-mainstream religions is owed to Dr. J. Gordon Melton.

In 1978 the U.S Department of the Army contracted Melton's Institute for the Study of American Religion (ISAR) to produce a book entitled DA Pamphlet 165-13: Religious Requirements and Practices of Certain Selected Groups - A Handbook for Chaplains. In 1992 ISAR revised and updated the book, going into considerable detail about a great many belief systems, including Satanism (specifically the Temple of Set & Church of Satan), which thereby put commanders on formal notice that such matters were not their concern. #165-13 is no longer available for direct download from the DA Chaplain's website, but here's an extract of the sections specifically pertaining to Satanism which I copied for Setians awhile ago.

This DA Pamphlet next resulted in a series of Department of Defense Directives 1300.17 standardizing and enforcing it for all the Armed Services. Here's the most current update. If you're in the military, or are thinking about it, print this puppy out and keep it with your personal papers. You might find it handy sometime.

P.S. to Californians: This state has an extremely strong anti-discrimination law - the Unruh Act §51 - which prohibits any company doing business in this state from discriminating against you on religious grounds. Somewhat difficult to enforce because businesses have learned to be very careful about what they commit to print/record, but useful to know about nevertheless.

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#27935 - 08/05/09 03:46 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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But Senator Jesse Helms made it his business to see that there would be no eagles, much less stars, for a Devil-worshipper. That's "Beltway politics".


Do you feel that your service merited eagles or stars? Because essentially that's what I'm talking about. I suppose it may be geographic, also. Where I live, the mere suggestion of Satanism causes so much panic that I have actually found myself before a Judge defendning my ownership of certain books. Thus it is much better for me that I simply not have to deal with questions or whatnot. I'm not on a mission to bring Satanism to the masses (as a matter of fact, the very idea disgusts me), I'm on a mission to accomplish all my goals and live the way I want to live. It's a small and worthwhile trade-off, as far as I'm concerned.

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#27966 - 08/05/09 11:31 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: ceruleansteel]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel
Do you feel that your service merited eagles or stars?

Of course.

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Where I live, the mere suggestion of Satanism causes so much panic that I have actually found myself before a Judge defendning my ownership of certain books.

That's strange, since Arkansas sent us a President who was ... Well, maybe I'm confusing Bill with Ron or George ...
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#27991 - 08/06/09 02:36 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
Jake999 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
[quote=ceruleansteel]Do you feel that your service merited eagles or stars?

Of course.

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Where I live, the mere suggestion of Satanism causes so much panic that I have actually found myself before a Judge defendning my ownership of certain books.


I'd have been extremely disappointed if Dr. Aquino or any other military man/woman didn't think they deserved their rank, or wasn't prepared to take it to the next level. That said, he, I and every other military member will definitely be able to spot those who DIDN'T.

While were were an isolate society within society as military members, you have to remember that the military is at is core subject to that society and its whims, even though certain members might not fit the mold that they would have for us 100%. And in the 60's and early 70's, while we might find acceptance amongst our peers, even as Satanists, there was a long, long way up that chain of command. Certainly, Dr. Aquino's climb was less than mine, but we were on the same ladder, and there were those who had vested interests in seeing anyone who didn't fit their personal hallucinations to fail.

Jesse Helms was one of them. While I am no fan of Wikipedia, I can tell you that the Senator from North Carolina was "Helms was also a 'master obstructionist', and a self-described 'redneck' who relished his nickname, 'Senator No'. He opposed, at various times, civil rights, feminism, gay rights, affirmative action, tax increases, abortion, foreign aid, communism, and government support for modern art with nudity." I'm sometimes conservative in my views, as most of you know... to Jesse Helms, I would be the Antichrist Hippie. Dr. Aquino, perhaps somewhere between Satan himself and a black hole on a direct line to a Bible factory. In short, he wouldn't like us.

Some notable Jesse Helms quotes... http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/helms.html

Ceruleansteel: I know where you're coming from, and you do what you gotta do to make sure your kids stay where they belong, and you keep your sense of personal safety inviolate, but had it been me, I would have been demanding to know why I SHOULDN'T own damn near any book that I wished to own and seek whatever knowledge I wished to seek. But again, you know I love the hell outta you, and I understand what you were going through... you played it as you had to.
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#27993 - 08/06/09 03:28 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Jake999]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
Some notable Jesse Helms quotes...

In September 1985 Helms had quietly introduced an amendment into the 1986 Congressional budget bill:

 Originally Posted By: Amendment #705
No funds appropriated under this act shall be used to grant, maintain, or allow tax exemption to any cult, organization, or other group that has as a purpose or that has any interest in the promoting of satanism or witchcraft: provided that for purposes of this section, “satanism” is defined as the worship of Satan or the powers of evil and “witchcraft” is defined as the use of powers derived from evil spirits, the use of sorcery, or the use of supernatural powers with malicious intent.

The effect of this legislation, if passed, would have been to strip federal, and hence state, tax-exempt status as a religion from religious institutions such as the Temple of Set and various neopagan/witchcraft groups. It was this status which formalized, where the U.S. government was concerned, a particular religion’s right to be recognized as such in terms of First and Fourteenth Amendment Constitutional protections. Helms wasn’t interested in whether donations were tax-deductible; he wanted Satanism and witchcraft outlawed.

Despite a major Helms-sponsored letter-writing campaign in support of #705, it was stripped out of the budget bill in committee, other legislators evidently feeling that it was too blatantly unConstitutional on its face.
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#28002 - 08/06/09 04:47 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Not to mention the inherent absurdity of such a bill, it would also spark a bunch of squabbling about what defines "worship", or what constitutes "evil"-- all of these terms, of course, have no place in any US legislation.

Technically, a Muslim could use this law to deprive the Catholic Church of federal funding, since he might interpret the Mass as a form of polytheistic sorcery.

I'm glad the western world is largely rid of "witch laws" and other such absurd relics of the dark ages.
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#28013 - 08/06/09 08:05 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu

I'm glad the western world is largely rid of "witch laws" and other such absurd relics of the dark ages.


You should come to Ireland....a Blasphemy Law was introduced this year amist all the Church Child Abuse Scandals.Basiclly , to show how stupid and fucking pig ignorant the government is, any one who might make a claim of abuse against a religious order or suggest anything that the order finds any way offensive, could in turn be arrested and imprisoned or fined.Now this obviously came in because the Irish government has its cock stuck in the church's ass, and has made an agreement to pay about 80 percent of the compensation to the victims of abuse(which is in the hundred millions/this is alot of governmental spending in Ireland as its a fucking tiny shit hole;they usually only spend 100 quid on national health care).Of course the law is a fucking joke as it means that as all religions fundamentally disagree with each other at some level or another every one is at risk of breaking the blasphemy law by mearly expressing their opinions or beliefs.I.e. I could bring a case against the church as they offend me and they could bring a case against me for being so fab. A rabid fear has swept across the media and rumours of Muslim extremist waiting to exploit the dumbass law and in turn cause the destruction of eire have widely been reported in my head.
Religious freedom is a pipe dream, even when cthulhu comes back I'm fairly sure that he/she will ban worship of the flying spaghetti monster.
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#28014 - 08/06/09 08:09 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: The Zebu]
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Just a general reply concerning the title of this thread.

People might consider me anti-social because I have a genuine dislike for most people. However I wouldn't consider myself anti-social, rather, selectively social.

I have a few good friends who I can count on when I really need them and who can count on me when they really need me. There are people that I consider aquaintances and will talk to them on occasion when at a bar or party, but I usually stick to a small tight knit group.

I don't feel the need to go out of my way and make friends with everyone I meet. People are social animals, to be sure, and some people feel the need to surround themselves with alot of other people for some strange reason. I am not one those of the people. I often find that the number of people you depend on is in direct proportion to the number of people who can, and often times will, let you down.

Most people are stupid and are only good for my own personal amusement. It doesn't take long, however, for that amusement to turn into annoyance. When I don't like someone I have no problem telling them that is the case. People often mistake my bluntness for me being a dick. Not that it bothers me that some people might think that I am dick; that is just more incentive for them to leave me alone.

People have to earn my respect and friendship, it takes even less work to earn my contempt. I am damn good friend and also one hell of an adversary.
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#28023 - 08/06/09 11:14 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: jesusbeater]
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You should come to Ireland....a Blasphemy Law was introduced this year amist all the Church Child Abuse Scandals.


I remember reading an article about that; and how Dawkins threw a fit (although not without just cause) and encouraged people to defy the measure.

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A rabid fear has swept across the media and rumours of Muslim extremist waiting to exploit the dumbass law and in turn cause the destruction of eire have widely been reported in my head.


I'm not surprised. Muslim fundamentalists have actually been the STRONGEST supporters of Blasphemy Laws throughout Europe, hoping to give their backwater book-worshiping cult a special exemption from rational criticism. I don't see hordes of Muslims using it to burn Catholic Ireland down to the ground, but I strongly suspect that once people actually start trying to rigorously enforce the law, the volume of complaints and sheer uselessness of it all will force the bill's eradication.

That said, such a widespread fear could shock some sense into the public, and make them realize that Catholicism is not the only religion in the world, and that even by passing a blasphemy law you are only hurting your own religion, by depriving yourself of the ability to speak out against others.
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#28030 - 08/07/09 01:13 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: The Zebu]
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To Jake and Michael:

Thank you for not interpreting my question as sarcastic (I noticed that could happen after I posted it)....my point was that although you were "technically accepted", basically it seems to me that what you say indicates that you could have gone farther than you did in your military careers had your leanings remained...personal. So although it didn't blatantly damage your climb up that ladder, it did put some of the higher rungs out of reach for you.

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#28044 - 08/07/09 05:31 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel
So although it didn't blatantly damage your climb up that ladder, it did put some of the higher rungs out of reach for you.

I was aware of that when I made my decision to join the Church of Satan in 1969, and I'm sure Jake was too.

The U.S. military is and always has been a JudæoChristian institution. Consider the existence of the Corps of Chaplains, post/base chapels, and the officer status of chaplains. All flagrantly unConstitutional under the separation of church & state doctrine, but firmly enshrined nevertheless. And as the chaplain's primary duty is to assist in fulfillment of his assigned unit's mission, it is quite clear that religious principles inconsistent with that are to be swept under the rug, or creatively retwisted to make them appear consistent. Religion in the military is expected to be a de facto PSYOP device to motivate soldiers to carry out their orders, and to remove any moral qualms that might interfere with those orders.

Realizing this from the outset, I just ignored the CoC, and first as a Satanist and then a Setian simply declined any invitations to involve either institution with that operation. More challenging was how to reconcile a genuine personal religious morality - which both Satanism and Setian initiation incorporate - with assignments and missions requiring complete focus on accomplishment. Basically one can approach this in one of two ways:

(1) Adopt a "social contract" attitude when executing a mission: set personal morality aside in favor of government morality.

(2) Attempt to redefine and/or obtain higher redefinition of missions to enable a more moral execution.

Neither is a perfect solution; it becomes a question of what John Fowles proposed as the Aristos: "the best possible and practical course of action under the circumstances".

This is of course a "predicament of Satanism" no matter what one's profession or surroundings. Once you accept full responsibility for your own integrity and morality, you have no comic-book religion to give you excuses for anything any longer. Perhaps you approached Satanism thinking it was a ticket to excuse everything you might want to think, say, or do. Quite a surprise to many Satanists to discover that exactly the opposite is true; you can never again be a hypocrite.

Two years before I joined the Church I was National Commander of the Eagle Scout Association of the Boy Scouts of America. You don't get more Jimmie Dodd than that. Anton complained that my joining meant the Church was now in danger of getting a good name! But the kicker was that people used to ask me, "How could you go from being an Eagle Scout to a Satanist?!" To which I would always answer, "Yes, it was tough all right - because Satanism has a much more demanding moral standard."
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#28050 - 08/07/09 06:16 AM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Just in case you don't mean the collective "you".

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Perhaps you approached Satanism thinking it was a ticket to excuse everything you might want to think, say, or do. Quite a surprise to many Satanists to discover that exactly the opposite is true; you can never again be a hypocrite.


I approached Satanism with curiosity, as I do everything in my life. My only surprise was that the more I read and learned, the more I agreed.

Being a mother, however, and a single mother at that who may as well be living in Salem, I find it more prudent to protect what is mine (my children and my ability to feed, clothe, and rear them) and just keep my mouth shut.

For the record, I gave the Judge an honest answer. He asked why I owned the book and I told him I bought it to research. I then informed him that the list of philosophies and religions I had NOT researched was much much shorter than the list of ones I HAD researched, and proceeded to dazzle him with the general knowledge that I had gleaned from doing all that nerding around.

I don't recall that he ever asked me my religious leanings.

I'm glad that both of you were able to succeed with your pointy red tails hanging out for the world to see, but it seems to me that you are the exception to the rule. It also seems to me that you both have something in common and I think that commonality may have been a reason for your success.

I dress like everyone else and I look like everyone else. The difference is that I do not ACT like everyone else around here.

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#28075 - 08/07/09 01:30 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel
Just in case you don't mean the collective "you".

 Originally Posted By: Aquino
Perhaps you approached Satanism thinking it was a ticket to excuse everything you might want to think, say, or do. Quite a surprise to many Satanists to discover that exactly the opposite is true; you can never again be a hypocrite.

Yes, I meant the "collective you".

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Being a mother, however, and a single mother at that who may as well be living in Salem, I find it more prudent to protect what is mine (my children and my ability to feed, clothe, and rear them) and just keep my mouth shut.

In the Army I got to my feet plenty of times for some chaplain's official benediction.

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For the record, I gave the Judge an honest answer. He asked why I owned the book and I told him I bought it to research. I then informed him that the list of philosophies and religions I had NOT researched was much much shorter than the list of ones I HAD researched, and proceeded to dazzle him with the general knowledge that I had gleaned from doing all that nerding around.

When that Amy chaplain attempted his "SRA" scam against Lilith & myself, our home was served with a joint FBI/CID/SFPD search warrant. Everyone showed up because it was the coolest search warrant to serve. It wasn't funny at the time, but retrospectively it was slapstick. Feature two FBI agents going through my library (which would do credit to the Miskatonic University) having no idea WTF they were looking for and zoning out on most of the books anyway. One cop triumphantly said, "I found a photo of a naked kid on a bearskin rug!" The sergeant said disgustedly, "That's just Michael; look at the eyebrows."
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#28079 - 08/07/09 02:43 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Yep. When you were at a function and that function called for standing for a benediction, you stood. Didn't mean you had to agree with it. It was pretty much an honoring of tradition and group identity. You stood as one. If they had stood as one to proclaim, "WE'RE THE BEST DAMNED COMBAT MOBILITY OPERATION IN THE WORLD," it would have had the same overall group meaning.

I know what you mean about the investigations becoming slapstick! When I was in Turkey and living in base housing at Incirlik, I was required to have a telephone because I was on-call for emergency operation, so the base supplied one. After a while, when I picked up the phone, I began to hear that tell-tale "click" that someone was monitoring it. For a while it was amusing. My wife and I even took the phone off the hook and laid it next to us on the bed to give the monitor a thrill.

Finally, I went down to the OSI and asked what the hell I was being monitored for. It was pretty obvious, but they couldn't say that it was because I was a Satanist and that there were several people coming to my house to discuss it with me. Instead, I got... "You're being investigated for drug use."

Now, those here know how I feel about drugs, and I was death on them in the military as well, and that was pretty much known to everyone as well. The OSI agent in plain clothes (I later found out he was a Lt. Colonel), said, "Well, you KNOW people who do drugs.

My response was, "So do you."

He then said, "You listen to hard rock music, and its a known fact that people who listen to hard rock music take drugs." (Talk about profiling... I was lucky I didn't part my hair in the middle.)

So I asked, "Ok. What kind of music do YOU listen to?"

He looked proud as a peacock when he announced, "Why, I listen to country music."

I told him, "Well, it's a known fact that people who listen to country music mate with sheep."

I then told him that if he had any further questions about what I do, what I believe or what music I listen to, he should contact my commander, and I would be more than willing to sit down and discuss it. If not, get off of my phone, it was to be used for military necessity only, and stay out of my business unless I was violating some article of the UCMJ.

The clicking stopped.
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#28081 - 08/07/09 03:41 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Jake999]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
... The clicking stopped.

Jake, I think I found the official record of that.
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#28082 - 08/07/09 03:49 PM Re: Satanists anti social? [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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LOL! You gotta love the Freak Brothers! (For those who don't get them, you kinda had to be there at the time.)
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