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#90622 - 07/06/14 12:22 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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Well, not really "hate" I mean - relax... we are, after all, just shooting the shit here.

You brought an interesting topic to the table and "we" had a go at it.

I don't even know you but I will definitely caution you to be pretty skeptical of these sorta peeps, and I do it free of charge. \:D

here, did Satan take a class or attend a lecture or a 12 step program before deciding "fuck god"? Fuck no.

Whatever your definition of satnism is (and it totally varies - and that's fine)

the one fundamental principal IS "I don't need you"

Keep that shit in mind. Fuck him, fuck them, do you!

It's not the worst thing that can happen.

did you know, that if you ever make it to HK or China... you will be assailed by VERY convincing monks. you will almost want to give them alms.

Don't fall for it.

The reality is that real monks don't beg - they really don't care about you. The truly enlightened ones don't give a fuck about shit.

Another reality (often over looked) - know, will, dare, and KEEP SILENT! That last part is just so under-rated \:\/


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#90623 - 07/06/14 12:34 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: antikarmatomic]
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No, they don't beg. I've eaten dinner with Monks of the Order of St. Benedict. That threw my hair back. They do wear all black, as many Benedictines do. They're on a weird level.
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#90624 - 07/06/14 12:54 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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So, yeah - just be skeptical of anyone who is asking for your money - be it a red-card or whatever. You're perfectly capable of figuring out whatever "secrets" they offer on your own.

You can read, you can draw your own conclusions. Certainly no harm in appreciating the writings of others, but I fucking swear to you - it's you're own life that's going to tell you what's what.

It's incredibly personal and highly specific as are all grimoires. They ain't instruction manuals - just notes.

I don't dream your dreams and I don't pretend to. I'm more interested in hearing from those who have made it than offering advice to those who want to.

What's working for you? what isn't? For teh lulz... but definitively once I start offering advice - you can say it's pretty much safe to tell me to go fuck myself.

Your path; your life.
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#90628 - 07/06/14 09:43 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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Sin, I noticed he is selling some works that - - well, I would not sell - I won't get into which titles, because that leads to questions as to why. I would be the Walter White of the Occult; I'd write something that people would crave more of, for a reasonable price. I'd never "cheat" my customers (magicians). That is what we see on the bookshelves. Anyway, I am not even an Author but if I were, I'd want to give my Associates the Best there is.


Back in the day when he first started, he may have been sincere. Later, clear case of delusions of grandeur. It's like Llewellyn Publishing, turning it into commercialism and bunk. So it doesn't surprise me he's peddling sub-par materials. Sucker born every minute type stuff. That, and his minor-celebrity status doing interviews and such. Bad mix. If he were an authentic ceremonialist or something, I could dig it but meh. He doesn't actually provide anything aside acting as a mouthpiece for trite.

Nothing personal against the guy but sheesh, the more recent stuff - boring as hell.

Maybe if you give me something specific that came from him we can talk about that. As a generalized opinion, bleh.

I was asked to do an Interview with him a couple of years ago by Electric Eye Radio , wasn't interested. What the hell would we talk about? I mean, I shoot from the hip - everybody knows that. I think people really just wanted to hear me thrash the guy - so it didn't exactly peak my interest. I did the first show and that was about it. It was in the midst of my Blobtard campaign, so I can see where people got the idea from. I'm nobody's clown, I do my own clowning - thank you very much \:\)
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#90629 - 07/06/14 09:52 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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 Originally Posted By: Xaziel
Ok Anti...I see you are not a big EA fan. One common vibe I get here on this forum, is that you guys fuckin' HATE "teachers". Hate them. If it comes to Satanism, forget it. You guys aren't gonna be told a goddamn thing.

Anyway. I do concur.


It's not necessarily the 'teacher' types, at least not for me. If you manage to teach me something, I can genuinely appreciate that but EAK? Nah, he's not going to teach you anything.

People that stumble into the 'occult' (notice the small 'o' there) on Facebook or something, that's his target audience. If he manages to cull in a few people into his cult of personality, then that's just a win for him, ya know? He's just not charismatic enough to be captivating or even entertaining.

I'm not exactly going to promote him. I tend to stick with the good stuff. I'm not adverse to whoring out something with value (even if for only entertainment), I do it all the time.

I'm the kind of 'friend' you want to have ;\)

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#90633 - 07/06/14 11:36 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: SIN3]
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Eh. I liked a few things about his early works, but Koetting has turned into the Satanic equivalent of those televangelists on gaudy three-hour TV specials with horrid gospel music blaring in the background as they tell you about all the power and money God will shower upon you if you just pick up that phone and make that $250 'seed offering'.

But hey, guy's gotta make a living. Charging hundreds of dollars to "give YOU the Spiritual Enlightenment and Dark Godlike Power of Lucifer!" sure as hell beats selling furniture while writing guides on combat training and assassination tactics for the ONA and Tempel ov Blood.


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#90636 - 07/06/14 01:25 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: SIN3]
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It's like Llewellyn Publishing, turning it into commercialism and bunk.


Exactly. Don't get me wrong, I was such a label-whoa for them 1/2 a lifetime ago.

*Some* of it was kinda good - Paths Of Wisdom (Greer) very cool, and (yes I know it's bunk) but I really liked what the Schueler's did with Enochian - at least until the whole "Angel's Message to Humanity" thing - otherwise very imaginative. To keep it on the positive-tip the latter would make a semi-decent frame-work for an MMORPG, so I'll give it that.

Then we get things like "Planetary Magic" (which I guess is "ok-ish"... kinda sorta) or the "The Magicians Companion" (which in someways isn't so bad of a concept; just poorly executed)...

Lastly there's that bottom of the barrel "Summoning Spirits" or "By oak ash and thorn" - not to mention the flagrant d-baggery of Tyson - I never could stand the writer himself, but he always picked such irresistible topics.

Books I don't even know WHY I bought in the first place, but hey! Whatever works. "ah! ya' got me!" type-status.

Some days you're the statue and some days you're the pigeon. *shrugs* marketing and labels - I suppose it's in someways pretty magical.


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#90650 - 07/06/14 04:04 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: antikarmatomic]
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I had watched a video of EA Koeting's a while back, where he had been basically pushing the idea of others using him as a sorcerer whom will do any, and all rituals, or whatnot that anyone in the public would request of him for a fee (of coarse). Other than that, I've only listened to a chat he had with Winter Laake on YouTube, so I'm not really up on who is, and what he's about really. \:\)

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#90673 - 07/07/14 04:04 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Matty1]
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I only know him by a compilation of occult articles that was edited by him. I stumbled upon it because I'm reading some of S. Connoly's works, realised that she contributed with one article to the compilation, and eventually got to the book's official website, where he presented it in a video. His way of talking, pretending to be "mysterious" and "deep", amuses me :P

No, seriously, what the fuck is "hardcore magick"? If it has anything to do with porn, I might take a look upon it.


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#90674 - 07/07/14 07:08 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Pretty much the case, it's a very common theme. Whatever a person views Satanism as, they will often not feel someone else needs to tell them.

However, it should be key to remember that the 'teaching' types can often be useful, it's just about how you view the teacher. For me, I would look at a teacher/coach as someone to perhaps 'steer me in the right direction', give me tools to help me figure things out on my own. I would always look to analyze, test, and verify what they tell me for myself. That is essential, no matter how good your teacher is because 1-what they are telling you may be the one of the few things they get wrong and 2-it's essential to understanding what your taught, and perhaps building off it.

All I look for is an assessment of what I'm being taught-does it make sense, do I think it could work. If your going to test out what is being said for yourself anyway, you don't need to assess anyone's credibility. A number of times, I've heard advise from people and thought--huh, you know you just may have something there. I'll try it out, see if it works-if it does I got something helpful, if it doesn't I'll just discard it. People will surprise you with what they know, and even people who don't appear legit or have a great resume/reputation could teach you something you would value.

The key though is, what are the repercussions of testing out what you learn. If someone gives me advise for free, if I feel it could work and want to try it, no harm no foul. I'd just see if it works, and just stop using it or discard it if I find it to be false. However, if you give someone your money well...you did lose something in the process.

I'm actually surprised EA Koetting does this, I never knew it before now. He seems a bit 'off his rocker' you could say, but the whole '250 dollars for me to show you how to reach godhood' just seems like he's sunk pretty low.

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#90675 - 07/07/14 08:39 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: 334forwardspin]
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I've nothing against the idea of guidance or tutorship. I've needed in the past and I need it nowadays. As a researcher, for example, I need the guidance of my supervisors. There's nothing demeaning in it, be it in my academical career or elsewhere. There are billions of people in the globe and I'm certain there are people better than me in a great number of things. Just as I might be better than a lot of people in other things. Perhaps this Koetting guy is the real thing, I don't know. But his videos and whole marketing thing aren't that appealing for me and, honestly, it reeks of plain quackery.

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#90697 - 07/07/14 03:52 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Necrophilvs]
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I recently listened to EA Koeting's interview on Coast to Coast. Well, he claims to actually summon Demons into manifestation. Within incense smoke. I have yet to see him do this on a Youtube video. If you are really conjuring preternatural chthonic entities, I want to be the first to see! I don't doubt that there are other levels of existence, but when you tell people you are actually summoning spirits and conversing with them, someone must want to film it. That never seems to get done however...
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#90726 - 07/07/14 06:57 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Necrophilvs]
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As a researcher, for example, I need the guidance of my supervisors
well yeah, that's their job - any type of management / supervisory role that *doesn't* acknowledge that their job is to make you successful is simply not doing their job.

That sounds pretty cutesy-wootsy, but it is true.

This applies, of course, within an organization and there's definite / mutually beneficial reasons reasons for this.

Now, when you're talking organizations that you are NOT a part of - that's a different kettle of fish. All I hear is send me your money \:D (*can't fault it, but, ya know, buyer beware)



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#90748 - 07/08/14 02:06 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: antikarmatomic]
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If he produced the goods, I'd pay. I mean, as you said before, you have to make a living and no one is into this sort of thing for altruism. The question is: his goods sound like bullshit :P
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#91032 - 07/15/14 08:44 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Necrophilvs]
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Damen und Herren, I give you a glimpse of the BROETIA, penned by a gentleman who goes by the name of E.A. Broetting:



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