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#90588 - 07/05/14 08:40 PM EA Koeting
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I am just now discovering this individual's work. He has numerous Youtube videos concerning the Occult, and several published works I see on Amazon. Is anyone familiar with him? Thoughts on his work?

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#90598 - 07/05/14 09:24 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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I'm just generally skeptical of a "magician" that sells their secrets. That's just me, though - if I knew something "you all" didn't I'd shut-the-fuck-up about it and play dumb.

Mostly, because the shit that works for me just won't work for you and the shit that works for you just won't work for me. Also, a lot of "it" is purely tacit.

Ya know, he reads like one of those "Secret to___" / "Tricks they don't want you to know" commercials - talks a lot but doesn't say much.

I hear "sales pitch"
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#90599 - 07/05/14 09:25 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: antikarmatomic]
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I hear "sales pitch"


THIS.

He's always come off pretentious to me. Boring. He doesn't captivate my attention for long.
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#90601 - 07/05/14 09:35 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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 Originally Posted By: Xaziel
Thoughts on his work?

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Yes, please do go ahead and tell us what you think. It is your thread after all.
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#90604 - 07/05/14 09:37 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: SIN3]
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Ah, Ok...just stumbled up on him.

No, anti, I never thought to sell my experience either. I'll tell it, not sell it. If I did make money off it, it would be for something much bigger; A book. A screenplay. And I think in those unlikely circumstances, magic wouldn't even be the beef of the story.

Sin, I noticed he is selling some works that - - well, I would not sell - I won't get into which titles, because that leads to questions as to why. I would be the Walter White of the Occult; I'd write something that people would crave more of, for a reasonable price. I'd never "cheat" my customers (magicians). That is what we see on the bookshelves. Anyway, I am not even an Author but if I were, I'd want to give my Associates the Best there is.

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#90606 - 07/05/14 09:42 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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f I did make money off it, it would be for something much bigger; A book. A screenplay. And I think in those unlikely circumstances, magic wouldn't even be the beef of the story.
fair enough.

But, well - ok, I'm still curious to hear what you make of the dude.
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#90607 - 07/05/14 09:46 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: antikarmatomic]
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I have to look into him. I've read none of his work. Just seen portions of his videos. I wish he'd dress a little snappier, but that's just a pet peeve.
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#90608 - 07/05/14 09:48 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: SIN3]
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What's funny about him is (and I stumbled through a few youtube videos of his just for it having been brought to my attention courtesy of the OP)

He doesn't actually "say" anything. Now, I know I definitely rant and ramble from time to time (probably more often than not, but shhhh! that's neither here nor there) - but it's sorta like being a bullshitter listening to someone else's bullshit.

In short (it's a trap)



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#90609 - 07/05/14 09:56 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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Well, I'd say "don't bother" except that he seems to make for great mockery fodder - have at it \:D
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#90610 - 07/05/14 10:03 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: SIN3]
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Boring as toast, rice, and green-beans. I can't for the life of me find a direct statement - and I'm pretty damned patient. Shit, I'll even hear a drunken hobo out for teh-lulz.

But I seriously cannot find one solid stance amongst this guy's bantering, and I most definitely know all about banter.

Oh nice - Someone beat us to it.


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#90611 - 07/05/14 10:12 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: antikarmatomic]
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I don't know. The guy could be sincere. In this realm it's a crapshoot. Within what we do, these arts, it's layers of bullshit. I think that someone who is really engaged in that kind of practice, probably isn't writing a book right now. I think there is too much going on. Even if you throw to the four winds the idea of never-ending life, the physical world is enough. The daily struggle of existence keeps the plate full. On one hand, it leaves no room for the experience of Satan. On the other, it all has to do with Satan. Regardless of how you define him - Force - Being - her. I think Occultists need to not write so much, be still. Keep our mouths closed so to speak.
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#90615 - 07/05/14 11:04 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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Tell ya' what. If you're into lucid dreaming, go buy yourself some pyridoxine (B6) take that shit about 2 hours before you crash out and experiment - it's neat and it works.

What you make of it is all on you, though.

Anyway, sure, the guy could be sincere - but then just stop there. shrug and say "hey there are no gurus - figure it out yourself".

I mean, when I do see a fellow skater / guitar player all I do is drop in and thrash out, I don't just stand there offering tips n' shit.

I'm always leery of the types that do that. I mean could you imagine? "Here's my 3 secret tips to becoming a better skateboarder"? Lol, skaters are sometimes (typically) kinda dickish too, so the analogy applies - it's more about "watch me tear it up and buy my merch"

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I think Occultists need to not write so much, be still


Well, lets say you actually figured out how to leave your body - like legit status... are you going to blab about it to the world? and why? cuz I can think of 100 better way to utilize that skill to make money - but only in a world where such things are considered impossible.
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#90617 - 07/05/14 11:19 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: antikarmatomic]
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 Originally Posted By: antikarmatomic

I hear "sales pitch"



Yes, THIS.

Has anybody watched some of his videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/EAKoettingOfficial

If you send him money, he can teach you how to have "Godlike Powers." BTW: what is "Hardcore Magic?"

The only reason why I'm personally somewhat familiar with this guy's name was a few years back he did this interview online where he was talking about his early "rough and dangerous days" where he was doing dangerous things like getting involved with the criminal underground and was even a member of the ONA! Which I guess was supposed to enhance his "dangerous and rough experience in the criminal undergound" aura. My friends sent me the link to the interview and some links to his early videos... we laughed our asses off.

I have to say, over the years he's gotten better with creating his videos. In the past, you should have seen his videos. It was him dressed sloppy, hair barely combed, sitting in his bedroom, with a cheap wrinkled black bedsheet draped behind him. And in that environment and condition, he was trying to sell people the idea that he can teach you magical secrets to make all your dreams come true! Akin to how a fat lady would try to sell you secrets of weight loss.

There is a saying in my culture that goes: "If you can't smell a person before you see them, then they're probably nobody."

"Smell" in that saying means "Reputation." People who put in an effort to build a NAME, BRAND, LABEL, for themselves - in a good way or bad way - have this reputation to them where in English we say: "Their reputation proceeds them," like you can smell some people before they enter a room.

In other words: if you have to ask who a person is, or if anybody has heard of them, and so on, then this person is most likely an irrelavent nobody. Such nobodies with no Name, Brand, that has no Reputation [good or bad] can't be trusted. Simply because most often, nobody knows them, nobody knows what they are all about, nobody's got the dirt or 411 on them. A person with no rep, no name, no brand, no recognizable "aura" is "wet behind the ears" with whatever they are doing or claim to be doing. Cuz such types simply have not done it enough to Built familiarity.
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#90619 - 07/05/14 11:58 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Caladrius]
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Has anybody watched some of his videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/EAKoettingOfficial


Welcome to my YouTube channel where I will teach you to become like god - totally makes sense... that's how Mohamed did it, right? YouTube? No? ok then... anyway...

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over the years he's gotten better with creating his videos.
if *this* is better I am dying to know what the early days were like.

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if you can't smell a person before you see them, then they're probably nobody
suddenly I don't feel so bad about showering only every 3-4 days :p

Still, the way I see it is if you genuinely have shit figured out 1) it's not very easy to explain - sure, I can write... but it's all about normal/critical shit.

How the fuck I ended up in Thailand and back is another story.

Not to be arrogant, but the world is open to me.

How it becomes that way is something I don't think I can explain to anyone - but I do know that I am not unique in this either. there are those who "ride the whirlwinds" and I normally just nod and wave "'sup" "chillin!" "yeah me too" "carry on" "word"

I wouldn't even care to try to put anyone on "my level" (whatever the shit that means) - and if I DO start trying, you can rest assured and bet your sweet ass that I only want your money (in which case, don't listen to me)

Another good phrase is (and I know it can be turned against me because I definitely like to write - but whatever)

"don't talk about it; be about it"


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#90621 - 07/06/14 12:14 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Ok Anti...I see you are not a big EA fan. One common vibe I get here on this forum, is that you guys fuckin' HATE "teachers". Hate them. If it comes to Satanism, forget it. You guys aren't gonna be told a goddamn thing.

Anyway. I do concur.

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#90622 - 07/06/14 12:22 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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Well, not really "hate" I mean - relax... we are, after all, just shooting the shit here.

You brought an interesting topic to the table and "we" had a go at it.

I don't even know you but I will definitely caution you to be pretty skeptical of these sorta peeps, and I do it free of charge. \:D

here, did Satan take a class or attend a lecture or a 12 step program before deciding "fuck god"? Fuck no.

Whatever your definition of satnism is (and it totally varies - and that's fine)

the one fundamental principal IS "I don't need you"

Keep that shit in mind. Fuck him, fuck them, do you!

It's not the worst thing that can happen.

did you know, that if you ever make it to HK or China... you will be assailed by VERY convincing monks. you will almost want to give them alms.

Don't fall for it.

The reality is that real monks don't beg - they really don't care about you. The truly enlightened ones don't give a fuck about shit.

Another reality (often over looked) - know, will, dare, and KEEP SILENT! That last part is just so under-rated \:\/


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#90623 - 07/06/14 12:34 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: antikarmatomic]
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No, they don't beg. I've eaten dinner with Monks of the Order of St. Benedict. That threw my hair back. They do wear all black, as many Benedictines do. They're on a weird level.
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#90624 - 07/06/14 12:54 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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So, yeah - just be skeptical of anyone who is asking for your money - be it a red-card or whatever. You're perfectly capable of figuring out whatever "secrets" they offer on your own.

You can read, you can draw your own conclusions. Certainly no harm in appreciating the writings of others, but I fucking swear to you - it's you're own life that's going to tell you what's what.

It's incredibly personal and highly specific as are all grimoires. They ain't instruction manuals - just notes.

I don't dream your dreams and I don't pretend to. I'm more interested in hearing from those who have made it than offering advice to those who want to.

What's working for you? what isn't? For teh lulz... but definitively once I start offering advice - you can say it's pretty much safe to tell me to go fuck myself.

Your path; your life.
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#90628 - 07/06/14 09:43 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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Sin, I noticed he is selling some works that - - well, I would not sell - I won't get into which titles, because that leads to questions as to why. I would be the Walter White of the Occult; I'd write something that people would crave more of, for a reasonable price. I'd never "cheat" my customers (magicians). That is what we see on the bookshelves. Anyway, I am not even an Author but if I were, I'd want to give my Associates the Best there is.


Back in the day when he first started, he may have been sincere. Later, clear case of delusions of grandeur. It's like Llewellyn Publishing, turning it into commercialism and bunk. So it doesn't surprise me he's peddling sub-par materials. Sucker born every minute type stuff. That, and his minor-celebrity status doing interviews and such. Bad mix. If he were an authentic ceremonialist or something, I could dig it but meh. He doesn't actually provide anything aside acting as a mouthpiece for trite.

Nothing personal against the guy but sheesh, the more recent stuff - boring as hell.

Maybe if you give me something specific that came from him we can talk about that. As a generalized opinion, bleh.

I was asked to do an Interview with him a couple of years ago by Electric Eye Radio , wasn't interested. What the hell would we talk about? I mean, I shoot from the hip - everybody knows that. I think people really just wanted to hear me thrash the guy - so it didn't exactly peak my interest. I did the first show and that was about it. It was in the midst of my Blobtard campaign, so I can see where people got the idea from. I'm nobody's clown, I do my own clowning - thank you very much \:\)
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#90629 - 07/06/14 09:52 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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 Originally Posted By: Xaziel
Ok Anti...I see you are not a big EA fan. One common vibe I get here on this forum, is that you guys fuckin' HATE "teachers". Hate them. If it comes to Satanism, forget it. You guys aren't gonna be told a goddamn thing.

Anyway. I do concur.


It's not necessarily the 'teacher' types, at least not for me. If you manage to teach me something, I can genuinely appreciate that but EAK? Nah, he's not going to teach you anything.

People that stumble into the 'occult' (notice the small 'o' there) on Facebook or something, that's his target audience. If he manages to cull in a few people into his cult of personality, then that's just a win for him, ya know? He's just not charismatic enough to be captivating or even entertaining.

I'm not exactly going to promote him. I tend to stick with the good stuff. I'm not adverse to whoring out something with value (even if for only entertainment), I do it all the time.

I'm the kind of 'friend' you want to have ;\)

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#90633 - 07/06/14 11:36 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: SIN3]
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Eh. I liked a few things about his early works, but Koetting has turned into the Satanic equivalent of those televangelists on gaudy three-hour TV specials with horrid gospel music blaring in the background as they tell you about all the power and money God will shower upon you if you just pick up that phone and make that $250 'seed offering'.

But hey, guy's gotta make a living. Charging hundreds of dollars to "give YOU the Spiritual Enlightenment and Dark Godlike Power of Lucifer!" sure as hell beats selling furniture while writing guides on combat training and assassination tactics for the ONA and Tempel ov Blood.


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#90636 - 07/06/14 01:25 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: SIN3]
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It's like Llewellyn Publishing, turning it into commercialism and bunk.


Exactly. Don't get me wrong, I was such a label-whoa for them 1/2 a lifetime ago.

*Some* of it was kinda good - Paths Of Wisdom (Greer) very cool, and (yes I know it's bunk) but I really liked what the Schueler's did with Enochian - at least until the whole "Angel's Message to Humanity" thing - otherwise very imaginative. To keep it on the positive-tip the latter would make a semi-decent frame-work for an MMORPG, so I'll give it that.

Then we get things like "Planetary Magic" (which I guess is "ok-ish"... kinda sorta) or the "The Magicians Companion" (which in someways isn't so bad of a concept; just poorly executed)...

Lastly there's that bottom of the barrel "Summoning Spirits" or "By oak ash and thorn" - not to mention the flagrant d-baggery of Tyson - I never could stand the writer himself, but he always picked such irresistible topics.

Books I don't even know WHY I bought in the first place, but hey! Whatever works. "ah! ya' got me!" type-status.

Some days you're the statue and some days you're the pigeon. *shrugs* marketing and labels - I suppose it's in someways pretty magical.


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#90650 - 07/06/14 04:04 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: antikarmatomic]
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I had watched a video of EA Koeting's a while back, where he had been basically pushing the idea of others using him as a sorcerer whom will do any, and all rituals, or whatnot that anyone in the public would request of him for a fee (of coarse). Other than that, I've only listened to a chat he had with Winter Laake on YouTube, so I'm not really up on who is, and what he's about really. \:\)

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#90673 - 07/07/14 04:04 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Matty1]
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I only know him by a compilation of occult articles that was edited by him. I stumbled upon it because I'm reading some of S. Connoly's works, realised that she contributed with one article to the compilation, and eventually got to the book's official website, where he presented it in a video. His way of talking, pretending to be "mysterious" and "deep", amuses me :P

No, seriously, what the fuck is "hardcore magick"? If it has anything to do with porn, I might take a look upon it.


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#90674 - 07/07/14 07:08 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Pretty much the case, it's a very common theme. Whatever a person views Satanism as, they will often not feel someone else needs to tell them.

However, it should be key to remember that the 'teaching' types can often be useful, it's just about how you view the teacher. For me, I would look at a teacher/coach as someone to perhaps 'steer me in the right direction', give me tools to help me figure things out on my own. I would always look to analyze, test, and verify what they tell me for myself. That is essential, no matter how good your teacher is because 1-what they are telling you may be the one of the few things they get wrong and 2-it's essential to understanding what your taught, and perhaps building off it.

All I look for is an assessment of what I'm being taught-does it make sense, do I think it could work. If your going to test out what is being said for yourself anyway, you don't need to assess anyone's credibility. A number of times, I've heard advise from people and thought--huh, you know you just may have something there. I'll try it out, see if it works-if it does I got something helpful, if it doesn't I'll just discard it. People will surprise you with what they know, and even people who don't appear legit or have a great resume/reputation could teach you something you would value.

The key though is, what are the repercussions of testing out what you learn. If someone gives me advise for free, if I feel it could work and want to try it, no harm no foul. I'd just see if it works, and just stop using it or discard it if I find it to be false. However, if you give someone your money well...you did lose something in the process.

I'm actually surprised EA Koetting does this, I never knew it before now. He seems a bit 'off his rocker' you could say, but the whole '250 dollars for me to show you how to reach godhood' just seems like he's sunk pretty low.

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#90675 - 07/07/14 08:39 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: 334forwardspin]
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I've nothing against the idea of guidance or tutorship. I've needed in the past and I need it nowadays. As a researcher, for example, I need the guidance of my supervisors. There's nothing demeaning in it, be it in my academical career or elsewhere. There are billions of people in the globe and I'm certain there are people better than me in a great number of things. Just as I might be better than a lot of people in other things. Perhaps this Koetting guy is the real thing, I don't know. But his videos and whole marketing thing aren't that appealing for me and, honestly, it reeks of plain quackery.

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#90697 - 07/07/14 03:52 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Necrophilvs]
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I recently listened to EA Koeting's interview on Coast to Coast. Well, he claims to actually summon Demons into manifestation. Within incense smoke. I have yet to see him do this on a Youtube video. If you are really conjuring preternatural chthonic entities, I want to be the first to see! I don't doubt that there are other levels of existence, but when you tell people you are actually summoning spirits and conversing with them, someone must want to film it. That never seems to get done however...
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#90726 - 07/07/14 06:57 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Necrophilvs]
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As a researcher, for example, I need the guidance of my supervisors
well yeah, that's their job - any type of management / supervisory role that *doesn't* acknowledge that their job is to make you successful is simply not doing their job.

That sounds pretty cutesy-wootsy, but it is true.

This applies, of course, within an organization and there's definite / mutually beneficial reasons reasons for this.

Now, when you're talking organizations that you are NOT a part of - that's a different kettle of fish. All I hear is send me your money \:D (*can't fault it, but, ya know, buyer beware)



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#90748 - 07/08/14 02:06 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: antikarmatomic]
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If he produced the goods, I'd pay. I mean, as you said before, you have to make a living and no one is into this sort of thing for altruism. The question is: his goods sound like bullshit :P
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#91032 - 07/15/14 08:44 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Necrophilvs]
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Damen und Herren, I give you a glimpse of the BROETIA, penned by a gentleman who goes by the name of E.A. Broetting:



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#94700 - 12/07/14 09:15 PM Fresh Faced Occult Gimmick Man [Re: Xaziel]
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I LOVE E.A.KOETTING'S videos and media that is available for FREE online and as PDF files or other downloads. My take is that he's an occult kind of infomercial man with hook lines, unintentionally funny testimonials of clientele to his purchase media. He has a whiff of past gimmick sellers like DON LAPRE (now dead), TONY ROBBINS, KEVIN TRUDEAU and scores of past telepsychics.

For the bored skeptic and under age 30 to teens, there are enough simple video demonstrations of rituals Koetting provides to dupe themselves into becoming Grand Poobahs in their crainal worlds or just be substance intoxicated and do the rituals to relieve boredom. I see the guys media as pure Gonzo entertainment.

Koetting is handsome enough and quirky that he has/had the looks to be in some indie movies or mockumentaries given how he uses special effcts in some ritual videos.

Fast forward to winter 2014 and legal police problems in St. George, Utah where he lives, he and his lady. There are enough overpriced books and videos that comprise his occult career as a magician he should not make the journey out of the court and corrections system in one piece.


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#94701 - 12/07/14 09:35 PM Re: Fresh Faced Occult Gimmick Man [Re: prodigalsun]
JamesSTL Offline
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He is a religious businessman, dealing in a niche market. As far as religious business strategy goes, no one in modern times has shit on L Ron Hubbard. Proof that Sci-Fi outsells Horror.
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#111399 - 02/05/17 03:10 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Fnord]
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I really liked his uTube stuff at first now it seams more like an informertal
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#114477 - 09/24/17 02:49 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Xaziel]
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Although this might be skirting close to breaking the one-line response rule:

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#114479 - 09/24/17 04:33 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Obitus]
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 Originally Posted By: Obitus
Although this might be skirting close to breaking the one-line response rule:


LOL.

That's hella funny!

Great post.

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#114602 - 10/04/17 01:02 AM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Bartho LeMule]
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I can't stand him. w./e. she--is how. Q. Shut the Glass; Queer Nation; Keiting will run it. Mortose. move in. now. Ravneus. 58.666 borg. We never forget; never. Viva La France. Seth now mine. Cain. and able. gong. to shaz. brb. alas kla. F.F. MM. Mannheim out. wic. when u see the hurricane cuming; dig. Hors. 66. Aquino clean this place or i will. Ra. Dedi. Cairo. Wind. Barcelona. brb.
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#114825 - 10/19/17 11:16 PM Re: EA Koeting [Re: Ravuk]
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I see him as a religious opportunist. Along the lines of a LHP version of Benny Hinn. Their schlock is ridiculously overpriced, I mean laughably overpriced. Would I suggest his videos as a starting point for anyone interested?...NO...But there's no quick inroads to initiation if you want to be solitary - you have to pick and choose and find what works with a starting point of meditation.
I can't denounce the man for any other reason than the obvious greed issue. He "seems" genuinely devoted to his own self-improvement at least. It's interesting that he he has a vodou slant. That is one actual inroad to the esoteric that I've seen legit mysticism in, moreso than in any other esoteric order. GD/OTO/T/ et al

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