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#91369 - 08/01/14 11:24 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Fnord]
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You never really know what freaks kids out. When my son was small, I popped in an old VHS of E.T., man I have never seen a kid so terrified.



He had nightmares for weeks. I'd rather have those conditions vs. teaching kids what they should fear.

When I asked him what it was about E.T. he found so scary, it was the eyes. The big bulging eyes taunted him in his dreams.

When I look back to my childhood, the film Strange Invaders had several scenes I found disturbing. Not scary per se, my mind just found them eerie and it invoked a feeling of dread.

I just kept watching it over and over again until it subsided. I was trying to figure out what it was that daunted me so.



I mean you go from the friendly alien E.T. to the invaders that had malicious intent, it was more of a paradigm shift of a creature that looked somewhat similar. The way my mind processed it, was like WTF!
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#91370 - 08/01/14 11:28 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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That's an interesting coincidence!

My daughter was terrified of ET, still is in fact (at 17).

She's my horror buddy too, we watch them all. Nothing has scared her a bit except for ET.
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#91375 - 08/01/14 11:46 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Fnord]
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I had considered hiding in his closet with an E.T. mask but I think that would qualify me as a child-abuser. Heh.

Have you seen Strange Invaders? If not, check it out.

Dimi made a point that seems relevant to our side-bar discussion.

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It's circumstantial I believe.


I do however wonder what conditions would need to be in place in order to give rise to a smaller number of children that find E.T. terrifying vs. the cult following it had in the 80's. What particular circumstances? Maybe it's just statistically random. If 100 kids watch E.T. for the first time, there's bound to be a couple that just didn't like it or got spooked by it.
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#91389 - 08/01/14 03:02 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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Hmm E.T. the extra testicle.... Personally as a kid I always found his face or eyes in particular to have a peaceful look about them. What always creeped me out was extreme ambiguity of facial features. The Michael Myers mask is a good example. For me the murder and frantic need for his victims to escape his butcher knife was exactly what I had already seen in a dozen other movies, but the non-emotion of his facial features was new to me. It often reminds of the static faces of many porcelain dolls.
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#91397 - 08/01/14 04:17 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Conchis]
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Who knew William Shatner's face would become so terrifying eh? Essentially, the epitome of a lady's man was turned on it's head and turn him into a lady-killer ;\)

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but the non-emotion of his facial features was new to me. It often reminds of the static faces of many porcelain dolls.


I use that. I favor the white-face mask that mirrors the same sentiment. It shows up in a lot of my content if you pay attention to it.

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#91403 - 08/01/14 06:39 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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I did notice it to be a reoccurring theme in some of your art. As far as old bill is concerned, I was certainly unaware of the correlation but its quite undeniable. You just made my day Sin. For anyone else unaware of the connection Here you go.

As mentioned somewhere above, most clown makeup would seem to take an opposite approach. That is, highly exaggerated facial features (and lets not forget the shoes). I find it interesting that both ambiguity and exaggeration can appear creepy to some. Perhaps on some level these are examples of fearing the unknown as well as a fear of knowing too much.

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#91405 - 08/01/14 07:17 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Conchis]
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Perhaps on some level these are examples of fearing the unknown as well as a fear of knowing too much.


Like Clown Porn ? Heh

My pal Steven Leyba was helping promote Hollie Stevens before she passed away. It was going to be a semi-comedy/pornographic film. It was cancelled in lieu of her death.



The responses from people on Facebook were pretty fascinating. It was a mix of disgust and focus on the creep factor.
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#91408 - 08/01/14 07:37 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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Well I suppose there is a certain sexyness to some clowns as well. I mean Harley Quinn Woooo.... I know it's sad. There can be a tangible sex appeal, to certain fears/madness/darkness in my opinion, but hey different strokes for different folks.

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#91435 - 08/02/14 08:11 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Conchis]
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 Originally Posted By: Conchis
Well I suppose there is a certain sexyness to some clowns as well. I mean Harley Quinn. Woooo...

I've never thought of Harley (the original, in Batman the Animated Series, not the live-action spin-off wrecks) as being a "clown" - nor the Joker, for that matter. There's something very wistful about Harl; her personal tragedy is that in some surreal way the Joker unlocked it - yet himself is far too self-obsessed to notice it. There was an almost startling scene in one episode where an injured Harley was recovering in a hospital; next to the bed was a rose in a vase, and the note "Get well soon - J". Almost as memorable as this [don't miss Ivy's and Robin's expressions].

The only scary clowns I can think of at the moment are the U.S. Congress.
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#91468 - 08/03/14 05:27 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Well as far as it pertains to what is going on in Satanism today with those folk trying to get all the headlines and convince people that Satanism is...well whatever it is they are trying to pass it off as.

With that said there is no difference between a clown and Satan anymore, both just get a chuckle out of me.
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#91473 - 08/03/14 06:38 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino

I've never thought of Harley (the original, in Batman the Animated Series, not the live-action spin-off wrecks) as being a "clown" - nor the Joker, for that matter.



She's modeled after the traditional Harlequin Jester (aka the King's fool). Her origin story makes that aspect rather crucial the character development. Joker didn't neglect it, he recognized it right off and she embraced it.

Personality Shift

In the 94 graphic novel (Mad Love), the love story is elaborated on. That episode didn't air until 99, several years after her first appearance in Joker's Favor in 92.

She plays the King's Fool, when she deludes herself into believing that 'love' she has for the Joker is enough to save her from his wrath.
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#93872 - 10/21/14 11:34 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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It's downright criminal in France.

Teen Arrested as 'armed Clown'

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This fear of clowns, dubbed coulrophobia, has swept small towns in Pas-de-Calais in northern France where police report a wave of complaints over people dressed up as the tricksters and threatening passers-by.

A 19-year-old young man was arrested on Friday after waving a stick resembling a long knife while chasing a group of teenagers, who had to seek refuge in a chip stand.

He was also sentenced to 105 hours of community service and banned from carrying a weapon for five years.
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#93876 - 10/22/14 06:59 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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Every single thing you fear has been taught to you. There is nothing that you naturally, or instinctively, fear. This is what "separates" us from the lower animals.
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#93879 - 10/22/14 07:47 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Megatron]
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Every single thing you fear has been taught to you


I'm not so sure about this. On one hand I agree but then on the other, I can't help but wonder if that little 'startle' is your own brain just fucking with you. Something instinctual that says "Watch Out - Danger!"

I can recall a time when I was trekking in the woods, I came face to face with a large Brown Bear. I didn't fear it, though I had been taught that I should. I let it know that I didn't and it let me know that it was indifferent to me.

Then another where something passed by my peripheral vision, something I couldn't quite make out and I jumped as if it was going to harm me. The startle.

I think the only thing that separates us from them, is the way we conceptualize things. How could we possibly compare? Cats startle too.
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#93881 - 10/22/14 10:44 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Megatron]
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Every single thing you fear has been taught to you. There is nothing that you naturally, or instinctively, fear. This is what "separates" us from the lower animals.


Well JK, if you ever manage to prove it, you might even get a Nobel Prize. That would be a breakthrough.

What about survival instinct? That thing that orders you to fight or run when your life is in danger?

Do you think we are that much different from other animals when facing danger?
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