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#91320 - 07/30/14 12:25 PM What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan
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Staten Island Clown - Unmasked



I had been following this story and just found the update. As I suspected, it was a publicity stunt for a film production.

Still, people living in Staten Island were clearly spooked by this Clown. A clear case of coulrophobia. People claiming to be Atheists were also spooked, even if they didn't recognize any supernatural element at play. It was as if a man in a mask had somehow become 'other'.



The mask is great. Some compare the 'terror' it invokes to Stephen King's Pennywise. That's always been the least favorite King novel. Maybe it's because I don't have an irrational fear of clowns. I always found it to be way too long, drag on and on, and when it hit tv - anti-climactic.



I think it's great that writers exploit this fear. At the very least it makes for great entertainment to see what the boogey man is to other people.


Ask people you know: What's more terrifying, Clowns or Satan? I bet you'll find that more people answer: CLOWNS.

It's weird, people generally correlate the spooky clown to the demonic or a manifestation of Satan itself.

Even if there's some tie-in to killers using clowns to prey on victims (like Gacy), it's not as if the clown is anything more than a man in funny clothes and make-up.



When I vend and sell clown dolls, I get mixed reactions from both kids and adults. I do find that more adults get spooked than kids though.

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#91321 - 07/30/14 12:50 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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Fun topic. Here is my experience with it: When I was a child, I dressed up as Satan repeatedly for Halloween from about Kindergarten to 4th grade - horns, makeup, pitchfork, the whole works. All I ever wanted to be was the devil. I've never found clowns funny, and as a child, they were scary as fuck to me. As I got older, I realized the fear came from an assumption that people who went through that much effort to get a chuckle and cover up their face likely had something to hide.

The devil made sense. Although he is often known as a liar, his nature as evil was very straightforward, and I liked that. People who fell victim to his tricks deserved what they got, whereas clowns are supposedly benevolent jesters, but as with most people, I always wondered what was really underneath that mask.

That being said, coming up, I knew at least two people who were molested by bible clowns, which only reinforced my skepticism of clowns and their motives.
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#91322 - 07/30/14 01:05 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Balcombe]
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clowns are supposedly benevolent jesters


From what I recall, this transition took place in the Middle Ages. Prior to that, it was a term applied to a goof, clumsy person or someone rather idiotic. It was stigmatized a bit in the 16th century because a person like this could do something rather foolish that put others at risk. So there was a tinge of malevolence depending on the culture.

See: Etymology

When I was about 8 I took one of my Dad's spooky clown masks and hid in the closet. I waited for my younger unsuspecting brother and jumped out. I've never seen anyone so terrified since. I got into some deep shit for that and he never forgave me for it. It's still very vivid in his mind. In my mind, I was having a bit of fun, I thought it would be funny. I really had no idea how terrifying they could be.

From that point forward, clowns were treated as the devil itself.

For me? It was just a rubber mask. When my Dad put it on and jumped out at me, I just laughed and laughed. Sure, I yelped from being startled but I took it as something very funny and goofy. Nothing particularly terrifying, nor did I consider the act malevolent.

I guess, it may even be considered one of those 'markers' in our make up. Devil in the details and all that.



"A clown can get away with anything" John Wayne Gacy


I think Trolls also qualify as clowns.

The Sinister Element of Clowning.

See: NPR, The Fear of Clowns
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#91324 - 07/30/14 05:28 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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My sister is terrified of clowns. I don't know if she ever had a bad experience with a clown, or if it's just like my fear of heights. Something genetic maybe? When I go to ICP concerts I wear clown makeup. No one is ever scared of me because my face is hidden. There's probably 70-80 of us in makeup. What I'm getting at is that everyone has an ingrained fear of something that they're born with.
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#91325 - 07/30/14 05:34 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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Ask people you know: What's more terrifying, Clowns or Satan? I bet you'll find that more people answer: CLOWNS.


It is because you know what to expect from Satan but you don't know what to expect from a clown. There is something odd, almost creepy, about clowns, which makes a lot of people, including children, even if not afraid, then just uneasy. It can be because of their painted faces and exaggerated facial features. As clowns have this artificial and grotesque smile glued to their faces, it's difficult to guess their emotions. You can read people's emotions from their faces and body gestures unless they mask themselves very well.

Fear of clowns, I think, can be just a fear of mischievous and dishonest people who hide their true feelings and intentions. As you can't see the clown's face, you can't see his emotions so you can't guess his intentions. Moreover, the smile of a clown is grotesque, so it's unfamiliar, hence it's disturbing so you keep asking yourself "What's behind that smile?"

The jesters and tricksters in the Middle Ages were the only ones allowed to laugh at and mock the kings and the members of nobility. In other words, they held a mirror to their vices so by watching the tricksters, they would see what they tried to ignore or forget.

I think most people are not really afraid of clowns, but they just don't like them and find them somehow disturbing. This can be largely due to the popular culture; plenty of horror movies and novels featuring clowns as serial killers, dolls possessed by evil spirits and so on. After reading your post I was immediately reminded of the movie "Amusement" about the psychotic murderer dressing up for a clown. Here is the memorable creepy scene from this movie:

A Clown Scene
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#91326 - 07/30/14 05:36 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: The Blackangel]
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What I'm getting at is that everyone has an ingrained fear of something that they're born with.


To clarify, are you saying that people are born with particular fears or that people are born with the fear mechanism?
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#91328 - 07/31/14 01:48 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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I'm saying that I believe that people are born with particular fears. But the fear mechanism is logical also. When I was little my grandparents had chickens and geese. The rooster was especially mean, and the geese were also mean and used to chase me around the yard. At 2 years old that scared the hell out of me. And to this day I'm afraid of birds. I wasn't born fearing them, I got it from the birds my grandparents had. But take my fear of heights. I never fell from a raised platform or fell out of a tree. But I still can't ride roller coasters with out freaking out. That one I believe I was born with. Another example is my fear of the water. I never had anything particular happen to me, but to this day I won't go into water past my nipples.
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#91337 - 07/31/14 07:55 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: The Blackangel]
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I'm saying that I believe that people are born with particular fears.



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I never fell from a raised platform or fell out of a tree. But I still can't ride roller coasters with out freaking out. That one I believe I was born with. Another example is my fear of the water. I never had anything particular happen to me, but to this day I won't go into water past my nipples.


Is it not more likely that you had events in your life trigger those phobias and simply don't remember, than that somehow your mother implanted them into you in the womb?

Consider how much time you have been alive, and contrast that with what you can recall. Our conscious mind is only a sliver of the data pool our 'I' draws from.
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#91346 - 08/01/14 02:11 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
The mask is great. Some compare the 'terror' it invokes to Stephen King's Pennywise. That's always been the least favorite King novel. Maybe it's because I don't have an irrational fear of clowns. I always found it to be way too long, drag on and on, and when it hit tv - anti-climactic.

I was never super big on IT either, that is until I completed Kings magnum opus (The Dark Tower) series. Although mostly infered there does seem to be some correlation between Pennywise, and the Crimson King, and possibly Mordred (the extra back story helped). I seem to recall a King interview where he called IT and many of his other stories "trial runs" (or something similar) for the Dark Tower.

As far as clowns go, for me they are somewhat unsettling in a dull/peripheral way.

While somewhat off topic I found this rather interesting American Indian sculpture at the Nelson Adkins Art museum in Kansas City. For me, it has a rather clownish/trickster/jester look about it. At the time it was one of the "stand out" pieces that drew my attention.

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 Originally Posted By: The Blackangel
I'm saying that I believe that people are born with particular fears.

I'm not so sure it works this way, while there is "some" proof that genetic (and perhaps even cultural) memory does exist on some level, I don't quite think it is so exact as to constitute a reoccurring generational fear of X or Y.


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#91347 - 08/01/14 03:40 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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It's circumstantial I believe.
A majority isn't afraid of clowns on a carnival or a circus or even birthday parties. They "fit" the atmosphere and they "fit" the background. Take the scenery away and we're left with a something that's out of shape. Something that doesn't belong in the "normal world". Primal instincts kick in and indicate danger. Anything "new" can be considered a hazard for the own well-being. Especially if it "doesn't add" to the normal way of things.

Both can be terrifying. It solely depends how and where it is brought.
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#91356 - 08/01/14 10:03 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: The Blackangel]
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I'm saying that I believe that people are born with particular fears.


So you believe this based on confirmation bias? From birth you're bombarded with influences. You can't know in all certainty the pin-point to that fear, though you can speculate.

A predisposition to a phobia doesn't make much sense.

Fear of heights for example can be reasoned by the threat of immanent danger.
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#91362 - 08/01/14 10:25 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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When the Staten Island story broke I went deep into the rabbit hole of clown research. I've never found them to be scary at all but that's probably because I don't believe other people are real anyway. ;\)

Kidding, but did you know that there actually is a clown shortage?

The self imposed research project was born of a desire to understand the fear. It's the blatant mask with bits of reality poking through that I think freaks people out. Somehow a face in garish makeup looks 'real' but like something is wrong with it. It can come off as sneaky and untrustworthy to some.

I've never been scared of anything I could see. If I had a phobia of any kind (other than crowds or people, I'm actually a bit shy) it would be of something unseen. I understand the fear of water... the idea of coiling tentacles and things with teeth passing right next to you without your knowledge... could be unsettling.
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#91363 - 08/01/14 10:32 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3

When I was about 8 I took one of my Dad's spooky clown masks and hid in the closet ...

...nor did I consider the act malevolent.

I guess, it may even be considered one of those 'markers' in our make up. Devil in the details and all that.


When I was a kid I had a passion for scaring the shit out of people. Whenever my dad would go out of town I would get a sit down and some firm instruction to leave my mom alone. I never could... seeing that terrified reaction when I jumped out at her was worth the pain! \:\)

That sounds terribly insensitive I suppose.. just never could resist.
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#91365 - 08/01/14 10:36 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Fnord]
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I also had a penchant for horror films early on. If my Dad was around, I could watch them without a bother. My Mother? No way, she'd turn it off, screaming and yelling like I had committed some moral crime. To say her parenting skills were lacking, is an understatement. She didn't seem to understand that the more 'forbidden' it was, the more I would pursue this content. The same applied to the Occult.

I guess her greatest fear was that I'd turn out the way I have.

That fear is legit ;\)
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#91368 - 08/01/14 11:16 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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Some moms are that way, I guess. I spent my childhood watching Saturday morning creature features.

Bernie Casey in Gargoyles was my favorite:


I knew who Peter Cushing was long before I watched Star Wars!

My wife would get upset when my son wanted to watch Power Rangers. She was scared it would encourage violence. Ah well, i won that one and everything turned out ok! \:\)
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#91369 - 08/01/14 11:24 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Fnord]
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You never really know what freaks kids out. When my son was small, I popped in an old VHS of E.T., man I have never seen a kid so terrified.



He had nightmares for weeks. I'd rather have those conditions vs. teaching kids what they should fear.

When I asked him what it was about E.T. he found so scary, it was the eyes. The big bulging eyes taunted him in his dreams.

When I look back to my childhood, the film Strange Invaders had several scenes I found disturbing. Not scary per se, my mind just found them eerie and it invoked a feeling of dread.

I just kept watching it over and over again until it subsided. I was trying to figure out what it was that daunted me so.



I mean you go from the friendly alien E.T. to the invaders that had malicious intent, it was more of a paradigm shift of a creature that looked somewhat similar. The way my mind processed it, was like WTF!
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#91370 - 08/01/14 11:28 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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That's an interesting coincidence!

My daughter was terrified of ET, still is in fact (at 17).

She's my horror buddy too, we watch them all. Nothing has scared her a bit except for ET.
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#91375 - 08/01/14 11:46 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Fnord]
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I had considered hiding in his closet with an E.T. mask but I think that would qualify me as a child-abuser. Heh.

Have you seen Strange Invaders? If not, check it out.

Dimi made a point that seems relevant to our side-bar discussion.

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It's circumstantial I believe.


I do however wonder what conditions would need to be in place in order to give rise to a smaller number of children that find E.T. terrifying vs. the cult following it had in the 80's. What particular circumstances? Maybe it's just statistically random. If 100 kids watch E.T. for the first time, there's bound to be a couple that just didn't like it or got spooked by it.
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#91389 - 08/01/14 03:02 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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Hmm E.T. the extra testicle.... Personally as a kid I always found his face or eyes in particular to have a peaceful look about them. What always creeped me out was extreme ambiguity of facial features. The Michael Myers mask is a good example. For me the murder and frantic need for his victims to escape his butcher knife was exactly what I had already seen in a dozen other movies, but the non-emotion of his facial features was new to me. It often reminds of the static faces of many porcelain dolls.
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#91397 - 08/01/14 04:17 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Conchis]
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Who knew William Shatner's face would become so terrifying eh? Essentially, the epitome of a lady's man was turned on it's head and turn him into a lady-killer ;\)

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but the non-emotion of his facial features was new to me. It often reminds of the static faces of many porcelain dolls.


I use that. I favor the white-face mask that mirrors the same sentiment. It shows up in a lot of my content if you pay attention to it.

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#91403 - 08/01/14 06:39 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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I did notice it to be a reoccurring theme in some of your art. As far as old bill is concerned, I was certainly unaware of the correlation but its quite undeniable. You just made my day Sin. For anyone else unaware of the connection Here you go.

As mentioned somewhere above, most clown makeup would seem to take an opposite approach. That is, highly exaggerated facial features (and lets not forget the shoes). I find it interesting that both ambiguity and exaggeration can appear creepy to some. Perhaps on some level these are examples of fearing the unknown as well as a fear of knowing too much.

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#91405 - 08/01/14 07:17 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Conchis]
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Perhaps on some level these are examples of fearing the unknown as well as a fear of knowing too much.


Like Clown Porn ? Heh

My pal Steven Leyba was helping promote Hollie Stevens before she passed away. It was going to be a semi-comedy/pornographic film. It was cancelled in lieu of her death.



The responses from people on Facebook were pretty fascinating. It was a mix of disgust and focus on the creep factor.
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#91408 - 08/01/14 07:37 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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Well I suppose there is a certain sexyness to some clowns as well. I mean Harley Quinn Woooo.... I know it's sad. There can be a tangible sex appeal, to certain fears/madness/darkness in my opinion, but hey different strokes for different folks.

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#91435 - 08/02/14 08:11 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Conchis]
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Well I suppose there is a certain sexyness to some clowns as well. I mean Harley Quinn. Woooo...

I've never thought of Harley (the original, in Batman the Animated Series, not the live-action spin-off wrecks) as being a "clown" - nor the Joker, for that matter. There's something very wistful about Harl; her personal tragedy is that in some surreal way the Joker unlocked it - yet himself is far too self-obsessed to notice it. There was an almost startling scene in one episode where an injured Harley was recovering in a hospital; next to the bed was a rose in a vase, and the note "Get well soon - J". Almost as memorable as this [don't miss Ivy's and Robin's expressions].

The only scary clowns I can think of at the moment are the U.S. Congress.
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#91468 - 08/03/14 05:27 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Well as far as it pertains to what is going on in Satanism today with those folk trying to get all the headlines and convince people that Satanism is...well whatever it is they are trying to pass it off as.

With that said there is no difference between a clown and Satan anymore, both just get a chuckle out of me.
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#91473 - 08/03/14 06:38 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino

I've never thought of Harley (the original, in Batman the Animated Series, not the live-action spin-off wrecks) as being a "clown" - nor the Joker, for that matter.



She's modeled after the traditional Harlequin Jester (aka the King's fool). Her origin story makes that aspect rather crucial the character development. Joker didn't neglect it, he recognized it right off and she embraced it.

Personality Shift

In the 94 graphic novel (Mad Love), the love story is elaborated on. That episode didn't air until 99, several years after her first appearance in Joker's Favor in 92.

She plays the King's Fool, when she deludes herself into believing that 'love' she has for the Joker is enough to save her from his wrath.
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#93872 - 10/21/14 11:34 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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It's downright criminal in France.

Teen Arrested as 'armed Clown'

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This fear of clowns, dubbed coulrophobia, has swept small towns in Pas-de-Calais in northern France where police report a wave of complaints over people dressed up as the tricksters and threatening passers-by.

A 19-year-old young man was arrested on Friday after waving a stick resembling a long knife while chasing a group of teenagers, who had to seek refuge in a chip stand.

He was also sentenced to 105 hours of community service and banned from carrying a weapon for five years.
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#93876 - 10/22/14 06:59 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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Every single thing you fear has been taught to you. There is nothing that you naturally, or instinctively, fear. This is what "separates" us from the lower animals.
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#93879 - 10/22/14 07:47 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Megatron]
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Every single thing you fear has been taught to you


I'm not so sure about this. On one hand I agree but then on the other, I can't help but wonder if that little 'startle' is your own brain just fucking with you. Something instinctual that says "Watch Out - Danger!"

I can recall a time when I was trekking in the woods, I came face to face with a large Brown Bear. I didn't fear it, though I had been taught that I should. I let it know that I didn't and it let me know that it was indifferent to me.

Then another where something passed by my peripheral vision, something I couldn't quite make out and I jumped as if it was going to harm me. The startle.

I think the only thing that separates us from them, is the way we conceptualize things. How could we possibly compare? Cats startle too.
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#93881 - 10/22/14 10:44 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Megatron]
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Every single thing you fear has been taught to you. There is nothing that you naturally, or instinctively, fear. This is what "separates" us from the lower animals.


Well JK, if you ever manage to prove it, you might even get a Nobel Prize. That would be a breakthrough.

What about survival instinct? That thing that orders you to fight or run when your life is in danger?

Do you think we are that much different from other animals when facing danger?
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#93882 - 10/22/14 11:06 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Czereda]
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What about survival instinct? That thing that orders you to fight or run when your life is in danger?

Do you think we are that much different from other animals when facing danger?


/danger /danger

What is danger? Is it learned?

I DO appreciate the response, but seriously . . .
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#93884 - 10/22/14 11:23 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Megatron]
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Does it matter what you call it? You learn through experiences. Experiences teach, so on that point I agree.

I don't need to be taught to pull my hand away from a Meat Slicer, I learned how painful it can be when you damn near slice your left index-finger off with a carving knife. It didn't teach me to fear knives or sharp objects, it only taught me that there is a potential danger to inflict pain and damage to my body.

Damage can be done with blunt objects too. My right index finger looks like a toe because I hulk smashed it with a pipe when I was small playing 'Ice Sculptor'. If there was any fear taught, it was beware of your own aim.


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Clowns can be unexpectedly unsettling to scary if they act out in aggression, paranormal phenomena or murder, being that the persona is supposed to be one of comic baffoonery and revelry. John Wayne Gacy kind of did an image horror joke in pop culture since the 1970s as the Killer Clown with scores of pop culture figures and movies of clowns enacting evil, sometimes with cruel comedy, think of the KILLER CLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE franchise movies.

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#102193 - 08/11/15 12:49 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: prodigalsun]
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A fear of Clowns can be dated back to Ancient China, Rome, Egypt, etc. so I think it's more of a concealment issue. What's under the make-up and behind the mischief?

Fear Conditioning experiments would often include shocks using an object.

As television shifted from the 50's limited viewing content to a more creative outlet, the 80's brought plenty of films with Clowns as villains. It takes otherwise benign characters and makes them more malevolent. Plenty of kids were horrified by the clown-doll in Poltergeist, so it doesn't even have to be person in make-up, just something animated. In some regard, films like Poltergeist taught people how to fear technology or animated toys.

If it causes the subject anxiety and distress, then it qualifies as an irrational fear/phobia.

Something as silly as a prank can get media attention.


While I can agree that most irrational fears are most likely taught through conditioning, some people develop them organically. Some sort of shock to the system, then attachment to symbols present. I know someone that actually experiences anxiety and panic attacks from blue foods. While she may not remember it, I'd speculate that it was systemic of some sort of food trauma in infancy. Something like choking or getting sick from eating play-Doh.
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#108905 - 09/21/16 01:55 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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So about those clown sightings in the news this year. Unlike 2014/2015 they appear to be occurring simultaneously across several states. 3 locations in VA alone and it has people freaked out and terrified.

Whatever the stunt, police are issuing warnings and prosecuting people filing false reports. It's being treated as a form of domestic terrorism.

The World Clown Association is pretty pissed off. The organization already speaks out against the horror clown, and scary clowns at Halloween. All these stunts have an effect on their ability to conduct business as professionals. Poor guys.

Clowns people. Domestic Terorristic Clowns. Ha.

The TST is on the case too but you know those clowns are doing a better job than their version of a pussified Satan.
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#108914 - 09/21/16 03:42 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
So about those clown sightings in the news this year. Unlike 2014/2015 they appear to be occurring simultaneously across several states. 3 locations in VA alone and it has people freaked out and terrified.

Well, Hillary and Donald are making a lot of campaign appearances as the election draws closer.
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#108941 - 09/22/16 09:41 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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duh...dun...dun.

Do you vote?

Would you consider these horror clowns more menacing than or equivalent to Satan?

Curious minds wanna know ;\)
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#108954 - 09/22/16 10:18 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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Do you vote?

No, I am a Platonist. Plato advocated aristocracy, e.g. decisions by the wise for the benefit of all. Democracy/voting means decision by the masses regardless of individual competence and subject to many motives other than the benefit of the polis as a whole. The USA today is of course neither an aristocracy or a democracy, but an oligarchy (decisions by a few for their own benefit).

Hillary is the surviving oligarchic candidate; Trump the surviving democratic (masses) candidate. Neither has nor is interested in wisdom with regard to the polis as a whole.

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Would you consider these horror clowns more menacing than or equivalent to Satan?

I've never seen Satan as a clown, horror or otherwise. I understand clowning as satire or ridicule, stopping short of proposing correction or improvement. Inherent to Satan/Set is not just exposure of the incorrect or unacceptable, but presentation of a solution or alternative.
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#108966 - 09/23/16 05:28 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Interesting. What of the den of inequity? I don't think it's possible to benefit as a whole. No ruling body in history has ever focused simply on infrastructure, not even those that claim to be wise.

Even Plato had moral and ethical concerns. We could even thank him for the false dichotomy of good and evil.

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Inherent to Satan/Set is not just exposure of the incorrect or unacceptable, but presentation of a solution or alternative.


You don't think the Horror Clown is that alternative? It takes whimsy into the field of dread.
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#109025 - 09/25/16 04:00 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Fnord]
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I will never understand people's fear of clowns. I suppose I can understand being leery of someone with their face covered up but people dress up on Halloween and no one is afraid of masked people then.

I think clowns are funny. I swear most people that are afraid of them just say they are because it's a vogue thing to fear. Whatever it takes to join the group I suppose.

I've had people freak out and go apeshit when they found out I was an Atheist. I can't imagine the reaction id get from these same people if I started talking about Satan.

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#109077 - 09/26/16 12:47 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Esteban]
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In the case of the recent sightings, it may be because the intention is not clear. It may be less about the costumes and more so about what these people are up to. Police have issued public safety warnings, which also implies that these actors intend to do people harm.

Most people fear violence and pain. Very few would approach it head-on.
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#109675 - 10/22/16 12:44 AM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: SIN3]
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I could see that. But it's been proven time and again that no clowns have done anything. Interestingly enough I found this article that lists clown panics all the way back to the 80s. The thing they all have in common? Either there were no clowns to begin with or they were all benign.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2016...since_1981.html

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#109778 - 10/26/16 05:46 PM Re: What do you think terrifies more? Clowns or Satan [Re: Esteban]
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I don't think it requires that the clowns actually do something. Presence is enough. We don't exactly see official police reports and warnings to the public about Satan.

Some of my friends and associates fear clowns. Even when I give them shit about it, they justify the fear with something. I've challenged a few to go as a Clown for Halloween. I'll let you know how it pans out. ;\)
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