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#9353 - 06/03/08 02:03 AM 22 Nails
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I came across a mention of ritual called the 22 Nails on another Satanic website. The referenced it alongside mention of the Golden Dawn but anyone I know in the occult communities have only heard mention of it, never seen any physical evidence, nor been given a description of what it might be. Any occult buffs here got the digs for me? Thanks in advance. I promise I'll send you a cookie.

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#9354 - 06/03/08 03:16 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: saturntosol]
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There is a Qabalistic purification ritual involving the hands and in particular the nails would this be what you are talking about? It relates to Adam shedding his skin after the fall of man and the ritual preparation for the Sabbath. Not sure if this is what you are looking for though.

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#9832 - 06/27/08 05:01 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: saturntosol]
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 Originally Posted By: saturntosol
I came across a mention of ritual called the 22 Nails on another Satanic website. The referenced it alongside mention of the Golden Dawn but anyone I know in the occult communities have only heard mention of it, never seen any physical evidence, nor been given a description of what it might be. Any occult buffs here got the digs for me? Thanks in advance. I promise I'll send you a cookie.

SaturntoSol



The ecclesiastical arm of the O.T.O
Might have that information for you...

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#9834 - 06/27/08 05:42 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: -iblis-]
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Can you give us more info iblis; I am interested also:) I have no record of this ritual in any O.T.O. documents.

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#9876 - 06/28/08 03:45 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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 Originally Posted By: Mercury_Templar
Can you give us more info iblis; I am interested also:) I have no record of this ritual in any O.T.O. documents.


As mentioned before...
This is something EGC section
of the O.T.O Will be able to provide for you...
Now...
That is up to you
on how to retrieve it...
This is information that is not dished out to every plate.

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#9884 - 06/28/08 06:22 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: -iblis-]
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...nah. The cloak and dagger stuff (pardon the pun) bores me. Either share and add something more useful or let it be. The whole 'I know something you don't and I'm not telling' thing is a tad played.


...saturntosol - if you are still around perhaps try researching blood-letting rituals; I know there are a number of those within certain Golden Dawn strains.

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#9895 - 06/29/08 08:48 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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 Originally Posted By: Mercury_Templar
...nah. The cloak and dagger stuff (pardon the pun) bores me. Either share and add something more useful or let it be. The whole 'I know something you don't and I'm not telling' thing is a tad played.


Do you have anything better to do?
really sir...

To point someone in the right direction
is far better
and much more effective...
For everyones benefit.

Do you really suggest
that it is "cloak and dagger"
to not publicly display and indulge
(everyone else reading for that matter)
Methods and systems of an organization
To which they may not be able to carry out
Or let alone be in a right position yet
to be able to comprehend
or benefit without the resources?

Let alone disrespect the people
who have spent a lot of time
gathering and refining such methods of practice?

I guess it's better to assume
that every rite or ritual
can be given freely huh...
Pardon me great one...
Because everyone already knows
the history...
and reasons behind all the little details.
and are already prepared
to involve themselves in such...



Edited by -iblis- (06/29/08 08:48 AM)

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#9910 - 06/29/08 05:14 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: -iblis-]
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"Do you have anything better to do? really sir..."

Yes, sometimes, but Rick has trusted me to moderate here.

"To point someone in the right direction is far better and much more effective... For everyones benefit."

Far better than what: hard evidence and verifiable fact?

"Do you really suggest that it is "cloak and dagger" to not publicly display and indulge (everyone else reading for that matter) Methods and systems of an organization To which they may not be able to carry out Or let alone be in a right position yet to be able to comprehend or benefit without the resources?"

I said it, I meant it. The first time I read Liber Aba I was unable to comprehend it but that does not mean I have not benefited from it.

"Let alone disrespect the people who have spent a lot of time gathering and refining such methods of practice?"

Are you implying that I am disrespecting you? I do wish you did not feel this way. It is unfortunate you have become so defensive I never intended to insult you in any manner; neither do I propose to patronise you.

Did you like my alliteration? Which reminds me the poetic form of your posts is a tad annoying and technically against forum rules.

"I guess it's better to assume that every rite or ritual can be given freely huh..."

Well I think so; as did Regardie, Crowley and many others. Not "every" but most.

"Pardon me great one..."

No need to be like this.


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#9920 - 06/29/08 07:40 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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"Yes, sometimes, but Rick has trusted me to moderate here"

-Good...I look forward to seeing you more often
since we are so acquainted with one another now...


"Far better than what: hard evidence and verifiable fact?"

-There will be no hard evidence
and verifiable fact...
If such information is just not available like this
on purpose... for a really big reason


"I said it, I meant it. The first time I read Liber Aba I was unable to comprehend it but that does not mean I have not benefited from it."

-There are certain subjects
I am sure you are well aware of
that just cannot be beneficial
to someone who has not fully done the homework first.


"Are you implying that I am disrespecting you? I do wish you did not feel this way. It is unfortunate you have become so defensive I never intended to insult you in any manner; neither do I propose to patronise you."

-Nor have I...
and I thank you for your respect
dispite the fire I threw at you...
I have a tendency to come off very sharp
and direct... But I am sure this can be resolved.

"Did you like my alliteration? Which reminds me the poetic form of your posts is a tad annoying and technically against forum rules."

-This is a method of communication I use
That has a lot history
and intent behind it...


"Well I think so; as did Regardie, Crowley and many others. Not "every" but most."


-This would be one to include in that not every...

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#9967 - 06/30/08 07:45 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: -iblis-]
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Okay Boys,
I will go home tonight and look through my fucking library to find the 22 nails bit.

I like you both, but please enough with the who's dick is bigger shit....

For the record mine is......

Morgan
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#9982 - 07/01/08 02:57 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Morgan]
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Okay, can't find the 22 nails bit in any of my books.
I didn't find it in google either.
What I did find, I already knew.
Nails are used in African, Santeria, and Sicilian spells/charms/curses.
They are symbolic with different meanings depending on the use.

So go ahead and enlighten us, or at least provide the link.

Thank you,
Morgan
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#24938 - 05/23/09 05:08 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: saturntosol]
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There is a cthonian ritual written by poet named "Stephen Sennit" (not sure if I spelled his name right) called "23 Nails". I have a copy of that. The purpose of it is to enable the worker to have dreams of a particular type that have to do with the entities listed in the "Necronomicon". I don't know if you are still around, but if you are, I have a copy of this enchantment. There are no directions with it, just the words that one is to work with. I do know others who have performed the ritual, though I can't currently contact any of them.

Anyway, if you want to check this out just give me a holla.

~~~ yours in Chaos, Scarlett
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#24940 - 05/23/09 05:19 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Scarlett156]
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OMG I had feared it would be an ode to a squid or something. Throw some water on it. Sennitt is not stupid though. Thanks for this.

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#24941 - 05/23/09 09:43 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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Sennitt wrote about a 23 current.
Aeonic Deity: Cthulhu

"The 23 Current is therefore the subtle counterpart of he 93, its manifestation is taking the form of "realized dreaming".... These "messages" often take the form of dream experiences occurring in specific locations, and involving strange beings and artefacts.....
the Dreams from R'lyeh haunt the minds of the Chosen. Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!"

Taken from The Infernal Texts Nox & Liber Koth
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#24942 - 05/23/09 10:03 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Morgan]
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I think Sennitt is a tad off linking a modern, mythic fourth dimension with the 93 current but I can see what he is getting at. Perhaps this deserves a thread of its own.

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