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#9353 - 06/03/08 02:03 AM 22 Nails
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I came across a mention of ritual called the 22 Nails on another Satanic website. The referenced it alongside mention of the Golden Dawn but anyone I know in the occult communities have only heard mention of it, never seen any physical evidence, nor been given a description of what it might be. Any occult buffs here got the digs for me? Thanks in advance. I promise I'll send you a cookie.

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#9354 - 06/03/08 03:16 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: saturntosol]
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There is a Qabalistic purification ritual involving the hands and in particular the nails – would this be what you are talking about? It relates to Adam shedding his skin after the fall of man and the ritual preparation for the Sabbath. Not sure if this is what you are looking for though.

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#9832 - 06/27/08 05:01 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: saturntosol]
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 Originally Posted By: saturntosol
I came across a mention of ritual called the 22 Nails on another Satanic website. The referenced it alongside mention of the Golden Dawn but anyone I know in the occult communities have only heard mention of it, never seen any physical evidence, nor been given a description of what it might be. Any occult buffs here got the digs for me? Thanks in advance. I promise I'll send you a cookie.

SaturntoSol



The ecclesiastical arm of the O.T.O
Might have that information for you...

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#9834 - 06/27/08 05:42 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: -iblis-]
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Can you give us more info iblis; I am interested also:) I have no record of this ritual in any O.T.O. documents.

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#9876 - 06/28/08 03:45 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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 Originally Posted By: Mercury_Templar
Can you give us more info iblis; I am interested also:) I have no record of this ritual in any O.T.O. documents.


As mentioned before...
This is something EGC section
of the O.T.O Will be able to provide for you...
Now...
That is up to you
on how to retrieve it...
This is information that is not dished out to every plate.

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#9884 - 06/28/08 06:22 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: -iblis-]
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...nah. The cloak and dagger stuff (pardon the pun) bores me. Either share and add something more useful or let it be. The whole 'I know something you don't and I'm not telling' thing is a tad played.


...saturntosol - if you are still around – perhaps try researching blood-letting rituals; I know there are a number of those within certain Golden Dawn strains.

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#9895 - 06/29/08 08:48 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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 Originally Posted By: Mercury_Templar
...nah. The cloak and dagger stuff (pardon the pun) bores me. Either share and add something more useful or let it be. The whole 'I know something you don't and I'm not telling' thing is a tad played.


Do you have anything better to do?
really sir...

To point someone in the right direction
is far better
and much more effective...
For everyones benefit.

Do you really suggest
that it is "cloak and dagger"
to not publicly display and indulge
(everyone else reading for that matter)
Methods and systems of an organization
To which they may not be able to carry out
Or let alone be in a right position yet
to be able to comprehend
or benefit without the resources?

Let alone disrespect the people
who have spent a lot of time
gathering and refining such methods of practice?

I guess it's better to assume
that every rite or ritual
can be given freely huh...
Pardon me great one...
Because everyone already knows
the history...
and reasons behind all the little details.
and are already prepared
to involve themselves in such...



Edited by -iblis- (06/29/08 08:48 AM)

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#9910 - 06/29/08 05:14 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: -iblis-]
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"Do you have anything better to do? really sir..."

Yes, sometimes, but Rick has trusted me to moderate here.

"To point someone in the right direction is far better and much more effective... For everyones benefit."

Far better than what: hard evidence and verifiable fact?

"Do you really suggest that it is "cloak and dagger" to not publicly display and indulge (everyone else reading for that matter) Methods and systems of an organization To which they may not be able to carry out Or let alone be in a right position yet to be able to comprehend or benefit without the resources?"

I said it, I meant it. The first time I read Liber Aba I was unable to comprehend it but that does not mean I have not benefited from it.

"Let alone disrespect the people who have spent a lot of time gathering and refining such methods of practice?"

Are you implying that I am disrespecting you? I do wish you did not feel this way. It is unfortunate you have become so defensive – I never intended to insult you in any manner; neither do I propose to patronise you.

Did you like my alliteration? Which reminds me – the poetic form of your posts is a tad annoying and technically against forum rules.

"I guess it's better to assume that every rite or ritual can be given freely huh..."

Well I think so; as did Regardie, Crowley and many others. Not "every" but most.

"Pardon me great one..."

No need to be like this.


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#9920 - 06/29/08 07:40 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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"Yes, sometimes, but Rick has trusted me to moderate here"

-Good...I look forward to seeing you more often
since we are so acquainted with one another now...


"Far better than what: hard evidence and verifiable fact?"

-There will be no hard evidence
and verifiable fact...
If such information is just not available like this
on purpose... for a really big reason


"I said it, I meant it. The first time I read Liber Aba I was unable to comprehend it but that does not mean I have not benefited from it."

-There are certain subjects
I am sure you are well aware of
that just cannot be beneficial
to someone who has not fully done the homework first.


"Are you implying that I am disrespecting you? I do wish you did not feel this way. It is unfortunate you have become so defensive – I never intended to insult you in any manner; neither do I propose to patronise you."

-Nor have I...
and I thank you for your respect
dispite the fire I threw at you...
I have a tendency to come off very sharp
and direct... But I am sure this can be resolved.

"Did you like my alliteration? Which reminds me – the poetic form of your posts is a tad annoying and technically against forum rules."

-This is a method of communication I use
That has a lot history
and intent behind it...


"Well I think so; as did Regardie, Crowley and many others. Not "every" but most."


-This would be one to include in that not every...

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#9967 - 06/30/08 07:45 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: -iblis-]
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Okay Boys,
I will go home tonight and look through my fucking library to find the 22 nails bit.

I like you both, but please enough with the who's dick is bigger shit....

For the record mine is......

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#9982 - 07/01/08 02:57 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Morgan]
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Okay, can't find the 22 nails bit in any of my books.
I didn't find it in google either.
What I did find, I already knew.
Nails are used in African, Santeria, and Sicilian spells/charms/curses.
They are symbolic with different meanings depending on the use.

So go ahead and enlighten us, or at least provide the link.

Thank you,
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#24938 - 05/23/09 05:08 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: saturntosol]
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There is a cthonian ritual written by poet named "Stephen Sennit" (not sure if I spelled his name right) called "23 Nails". I have a copy of that. The purpose of it is to enable the worker to have dreams of a particular type that have to do with the entities listed in the "Necronomicon". I don't know if you are still around, but if you are, I have a copy of this enchantment. There are no directions with it, just the words that one is to work with. I do know others who have performed the ritual, though I can't currently contact any of them.

Anyway, if you want to check this out just give me a holla.

~~~ yours in Chaos, Scarlett
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#24940 - 05/23/09 05:19 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Scarlett156]
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OMG – I had feared it would be an ode to a squid or something. Throw some water on it. Sennitt is not stupid though. Thanks for this.

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#24941 - 05/23/09 09:43 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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Sennitt wrote about a 23 current.
Aeonic Deity: Cthulhu

"The 23 Current is therefore the subtle counterpart of he 93, its manifestation is taking the form of "realized dreaming".... These "messages" often take the form of dream experiences occurring in specific locations, and involving strange beings and artefacts.....
the Dreams from R'lyeh haunt the minds of the Chosen. Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!"

Taken from The Infernal Texts Nox & Liber Koth
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#24942 - 05/23/09 10:03 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Morgan]
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I think Sennitt is a tad off linking a modern, mythic fourth dimension with the 93 current but I can see what he is getting at. Perhaps this deserves a thread of its own.

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#24950 - 05/24/09 12:44 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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My question would be why waste time with such a ritual? Hebrew mysticism is as nonsensical as anything else. In order for this sort ritual to have a beneficial effect, the practitioner would first have to have a firmly held belief in the Old Testament.
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#24954 - 05/24/09 04:34 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
My question would be why waste time with such a ritual? Hebrew mysticism is as nonsensical as anything else. In order for this sort ritual to have a beneficial effect, the practitioner would first have to have a firmly held belief in the Old Testament.



Why?

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#24960 - 05/24/09 09:53 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Fist]
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Western Qabalism, while originally stemming from hebrew mysticism, has- over the centuries- developed into its' own little system completely apart from true Qabalah (which is inherently Judaic) and has become a standard aspect of Hermeticism and western magic.

As a magical tool, it is possible to strip Qabala of its' religious aspects for utilitarian purposes of applying it to some other system (even Satanism), and can be very effective in ritual workings.

I've used it before, but nowadays I prefer not to, since when I started to learn about real Qabala, I just started to feel like the western interpretation was just a foreign bastardization of Hebrew tradition. It's just not my thing anymore, but those who are not put off by this will certainly find much of value in the system. It's just not to my taste though.
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#24976 - 05/25/09 04:28 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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I don't know if this "22 Nails" and "23 Nails" are the same thing, or two different things. But I looked pretty hard for "22 Nails" and didn't come up with anything, and never heard of it before I read this topic. Anyway, in case they ARE the same thing, I was offering the one I have. It seems the original poster is no longer about, but nevertheless. The site I c/ped my copy of 23 Nails from is no longer around. The site where I first heard about it is no longer around. xoxox
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#24994 - 05/26/09 12:10 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Scarlett156]
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So I guess retyping what you claim to have is too much work...

Morgan


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#25005 - 05/26/09 12:13 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Morgan]
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Why would I post it here if it's not what the OP is looking for? If you want the ritual, let me know. It's kind of interesting. (I wouldn't have to re-type it, just c/p it, of course.) xoxo
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#25018 - 05/27/09 01:22 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Scarlett156]
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Whatever, if you can't add something to a conversation then don't mention/post about it.

For your information.....

http://www.the600club.com/dir/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/topic/603

We also ask not to post "one-liners" as it is a waste of board space. Feel free to send your "one-liner" in a PM.

First Level: Registered User
You start off as a "Newbie." After a certain amount of posts your title changes and so on. We ask that you do not make "one-liner posts" or just write garbage to speed up your title change. If you do so your posts will be deleted and if you continue to do so you will find yourself banned.


Edited by Morgan (05/27/09 01:24 AM)
Edit Reason: clarify rules....
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#25042 - 05/27/09 04:16 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Morgan]
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I notice that my last post has been changed, but not a big deal. I <3 the internet.

I have a ritual called "23 Nails" which I am not sure is the same ritual asked about by the OP (er.... Original Poster, is what that means). I copied it off of another website. The ritual was written by poet Stephen Sennit, and purportedly contacts cthonian entities that are named in the (so-called) Necronomicon. I know people who have performed this ritual. I have not done it myself. I don't want to post it here because its irresponsible use has led to at least 2 deaths that I know of. (That's hearsay, not direct experience, but I don't doubt the accounts on the other hand.)

I did not make a one-line post. I read the rules of this forum thoroughly before I joined, and read them again upon my admission. I have never heard of a ritual called "22 Nails" before I joined this group, but I do know of a ritual called "23 Nails". That's why I replied in this topic. Not trying to fight with anybody; I have plenty of fighting in this "real life" thing to occupy my attention. xoxo
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#25046 - 05/27/09 04:59 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Scarlett156]
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. I don't want to post it here because its irresponsible use has led to at least 2 deaths that I know of. (That's hearsay, not direct experience, but I don't doubt the accounts on the other hand.)

You have heard it led to "2deaths".
Magic word here is Heard.. Seeing is believing. Question to you: why don't you doubt about the accounts who gave the information to you? One should be critical and straight-forward, not draw back and remain in cowardise. Ask them for the evidences.
Being the rational bastard I am, I doubt that ANY ritual has killed someone (unless by chance or stupidity on the performers behalf).
Also the fact that performing a ritual from a mere poet who made references to the fictive work "Necronomicon".

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Not trying to fight with anybody; I have plenty of fighting in this "real life" thing to occupy my attention.

Too bad for you, life is life... Grow the neccesary backbone if you can't take it, otherwise hide in your home under the table. This is life, it's hard, it's raw, it simply makes it fascinating and "deep". If you can't take critics here: the door (or should I say button) to leave is still and will always be present.
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#25047 - 05/27/09 05:09 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Dimitri]
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This is life, it's hard, it's raw, it simply makes it fascinating and "deep"


Dimi, I assume the lady does know what life is, even if only guessing her age, so I find it particularly amusing to see someone that has been sucking mommy's tit for 19 years, and still does, tell others what life is all about.

D.

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#25048 - 05/27/09 05:22 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Diavolo]
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It's a good tit ..

I might not have the age you have, but I'm not complaining life is treating me bad.. Hell, I even have/had my own troubles but it didn't kept me away from giving critics and going into confrontations.


Then again, what do the people know from my background ;\) as far as I'm concerned the things I told thusfar which isn't quite much..


Edited by Dimitri (05/27/09 05:25 PM)
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#25066 - 05/28/09 02:18 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Scarlett156]
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Honestly, now its 3 posts you have written including a one liner about this poem/rite you claim to have.

I doubt the admins or mods changed your post.

I don't care about your life or your problems.

Either post it, or shut the fuck up about it.

Morgan
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#25077 - 05/28/09 01:03 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Dimitri]
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Forget to add yesterday (and my apologies for not being on topic), I do not really "leech" my parents for some time now.
I have to pay a monthly sum if I want to stay here. Just because I want to study further and want to have a better degree (with the one I already have, I am already qualified to do a job I like but I'm quite a brainiac and like to have a back-up..)
I am forced to stay at my parents, being in the "impossibility" of actually moving my ass.. for the moment.

It's a sort of "rent".. and covers the expenses they have on me (home to live, food, college money,..)
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#25088 - 05/28/09 03:55 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Morgan]
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The Starry Wisdom: A Tribute to H. P. Lovecraft

Country: England
Language: English
Genre: Fantasy, Horror short stories
Publisher: Creation Books
Publication date: 1994
Media type: print (paperback)
Pages: 191
ISBN: ISBN 1871592321

The Starry Wisdom: A Tribute to H. P. Lovecraft was edited by D. M. Mitchell and published by Creation Books in 1994. Declaring that "Lovecraft has suffered much at the hands of unmindful critics and even more from uninspired and talentless imitators," Mitchell declares that the collection's goal is "to dig deeper, to bypass the superficial and access the subterranean channels of archetype and inspiration with which Lovecraft was connected.... [Lovecraft] crafted morbid and disturbing allegories of social and biological upheaval--cryptically prophetic and spiritually exploratory--this latent content of his work now needs excavating."[8]

Some of the stories in the collection--notably those by Burroughs and Ballard--were not inspired by Lovecraft, but were seen by Mitchell as sharing his "visions of cosmic alienation". In those stories that make direct references to the Cthulhu Mythos, they are "used only in passing--in the same informal way in which Lovecraft himself intended."[9]

The contents are:

* "Lovecraft in Heaven" by Grant Morrison
* "Third Eye Butterfly" by James Havoc and Mike Philbin
* "A Thousand Young" by Robert M. Price
* "The Night Sea-Maid Went Down" by Brian Lumley
* "From this Swamp" by Henry Wessels
* "Prisoner of the Coral Deep" by J. G. Ballard
* "Black Static" by David Conway
* "Red Mass" by Dan Kellett
* "Wind Die. You Die. We Die" by William S. Burroughs
* "The Call of Cthulhu" by John Coulthart & H. P. Lovecraft
* "Potential" by Ramsey Campbell
* "Walpurgisnachtmusik" by Simon Whitechapel
* "Meltdown" by D. F. Lewis
* "Beyond Reflection" by John Beal
* "This Exquisite Corpse" by C. G. Brandrick & D. M. Mitchell
* "Extracted from the Mouth of the Consumer, Rotting Pig" by Michael Gira
* "Hypothetical Materfamilias" by Adele O. Gladwell
* "The Sound of a Door Opening" by Don Webb
* "The Courtyard" by Alan Moore
* "The Dreamers in Darkness" by Peter Smith
* "Pills for Miss Betsy" by Rick Grimes
* "23 Nails" by Stephen Sennitt
* "Ward 23" by D. M. Mitchell


I guess it wasn't that lethal.

D.

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#25109 - 05/29/09 02:20 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: Diavolo]
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i have this book. guess i could have saved everyone some debating if i read the occult section more often.
sennitt wrote a lot of items of this nature. fun, but none to be taken seriously in my humble opinion.

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#80734 - 10/02/13 10:05 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: saturntosol]
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Old topic but here's my .02.


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The "nail" of Judges xiv. 21-22, v. 26 was a tentpeg which Jael drove through the temples of Sisera. The word "nail" is metaphorically used to denote a prince on whom the welfare of the state depends (Zech. x. 4). A proverbial application of the word is found in Eccl. xii. 11. In the Mishnah the nail () is mentioned as having been used for various purposes: the "nail" (= "lancet") of the bleeder is spoken of; the "nail" of the weaver (that is, the "nail" by which he winds the thread upon the bobbin); the "nail" with which the money-changer secures his money-chest; the "nail" of the dial-plate; the "nail" which is used to open or lock; the "nail" that fastens the bolt in the door; and the "nail" for opening a barrel (Kelim xii. 4-5). source



See also: Isaiah 22 [Prophecy of Jerusalum]

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22 I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.


From what I've observed on social platforms where ever Theistic Satanists gather, there's always some inversion of Biblical texts as some sort of heretical work and blasphemy (by the believers). It wouldn't surprise me if the OP caught a glimpse of this on some dead website.

I've not seen a whole lot of a Kabbalistic slant to it, or even a Thelemic one for that matter. It's usually poor translation of Biblical texts and creative writing (not much else).

As far as Sennett's 23 Nails, it's a Sexual Invocation Poem of the Olde Ones. A stirring of kundalini to provoke hallucinations during ecstatic ritual (divination prop work).



Starry Wisdom is under 10 bucks on Amazon. Some would consider it much like Lovecraft's Necronomicon, a magical tome that exists in the 4th dimension. Dubious amounts of hallucinogenic substances may allow you to tap it a dash of insanity is recommended.
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#80740 - 10/03/13 12:13 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: SIN3]
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eh 10 spheres, 22 paths / nails / vau / conjnoiners between. Seems more elementary thelemic than satanic to me.
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#80743 - 10/03/13 06:33 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Depends on what you consider 'Thelemic' (which always makes me giggle to myself). I don't think it really matters what tools an individual Satanist employs, the idea is that it aids them in reaching the end goal (whatever that may be). Autonomy isn't submission to status quo, it's doing what is best and right for you, the rest be damned.

If I wanted to invent a brand new religion for myself and employ it in such a way that it puts my Satanism into practice, it's no less Satanic than collecting dolls, fancying myself a 'Telemite', or donning a cape and horns.
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#80745 - 10/03/13 08:29 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: SIN3]
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True; "qabalistic" would've been a better word than thelemic now that you mention it. ;\)
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#80751 - 10/03/13 09:06 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: antikarmatomic]
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The map is prime ;\)

There's a topic in the archives that sort of ties in here.

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#80766 - 10/04/13 05:57 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: SIN3]
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Thanks! It also occurred to me (randomly on my drive from work today of all places) - possibly a reference the 10th Enochian Key

"[...] whose branches are Nests 22 of Lamentation and Weaping laid up for the earth, which burn night and day: and vomit out the heads of scorpions and live sulphur mingled with poison."
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#80769 - 10/04/13 08:12 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: antikarmatomic]
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It would have been useful if the OP would have linked us to the origin of the material he was reading. There may very well be a tie-in of the Enochian Keys. I did a search but it turned up nada (aside this topic).
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#80778 - 10/05/13 02:07 AM Re: 22 Nails [Re: SIN3]
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22 paths on the tree of life, 22 branches, "pointy things" (the first nails were pegs, ya know - wood) - I dunno, sometimes I'm more intrigued by my own interpretations than the origins... it makes for some sweet brain candy. ;\)
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#84250 - 01/20/14 12:25 PM Re: 22 Nails [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Hey, you might be onto something here ;\)

I posted a Narration of 23 Nails in the Video Forum: HERE

It's taken straight out of Starry Wisdom (I posted link to the book previously).

The symbolism is fairly self-evident.
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