#20280 - 02/12/09 06:40 PM
Re: Are you a Satanist in public?
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Mike
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According to LaVey, with the exception of harming children, a Satanist is free to indulge in whatever he likes, just as long as he takes FULL responsibility for his actions.
You say that as if he is the ultimate source of morals. You can't refer to LaVey for everything. Dwelling on one mans words and basing your entire outlook on life on another persons ideas is about as un satanic as you can get. What is most satanic is to do what YOU think is right, not to check the Satanic Bible to see if you're doing things the satanic way (if that is what you are implying).
As for speaking for other Satanists (another way to be un satanic), I have to agree with Dan. Satanists may think alike, but they don't think the same.
Edited by Mike (02/12/09 06:42 PM)
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#20287 - 02/12/09 11:11 PM
Re: Are you a Satanist in public?
[Re: Dimitri]
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Gratikus
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Beware of "Satanist" who seek to tear down all ideals, because they are really Nihilist and not Satanist. Satanism is the religion of fantasy and magic made real, which, in and of itself, IS IDEALISM IN ACTION. Nihilist is used to often and within your text a bit bad chosen. I take down ideals also, does that make me a nihilist? No, because I view things objective and am just pointing out inconsistencies, impossibilities and mistakes. Ideals can be used to achieve things, but nihilistic thinking makes it possible you are not floating in your fantasy and to keep things real. Satanism to me isn't "fantasy and magic made real". Satanism is about admitting your mistakes and try to solve them, it is about personal development. It also is about you admitting you have desires and the need to fulfill them. The magic part is only psychological help, if knowledge fails and/or for other reasons. In short: admitting you also are "just an animal with needs" with also the strong will to be the greatest in your surroundings. Satanism is about you being the alfa male/female.
>>Nihilist is used to often and within your text a bit bad chosen.
I take down ideals also, does that make me a nihilist? No, because I view things objective and am just pointing out inconsistencies, impossibilities and mistakes. Ideals can be used to achieve things, but nihilistic thinking makes it possible you are not floating in your fantasy and to keep things real. <<
I use the word Nihilist in the same manner as Nietzsche.
>>Satanism to me isn't "fantasy and magic made real". Satanism is about admitting your mistakes and try to solve them, it is about personal development. It also is about you admitting you have desires and the need to fulfill them. The magic part is only psychological help, if knowledge fails and/or for other reasons. In short: admitting you also are "just an animal with needs" with also the strong will to be the greatest in your surroundings. Satanism is about you being the alfa male/female. <<
Satanism are these things that you describe, but there is also an aspect of bringing fantasy to life within Satanism. Naturally, every Satanist takes from Satanism different things, but no mistake about it, fantasy fulfillment is a big part of Satanism.
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#20289 - 02/12/09 11:15 PM
Re: Are you a Satanist in public?
[Re: Mike]
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Gratikus
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Registered: 05/24/08
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According to LaVey, with the exception of harming children, a Satanist is free to indulge in whatever he likes, just as long as he takes FULL responsibility for his actions. You say that as if he is the ultimate source of morals. You can't refer to LaVey for everything. Dwelling on one mans words and basing your entire outlook on life on another persons ideas is about as un satanic as you can get. What is most satanic is to do what YOU think is right, not to check the Satanic Bible to see if you're doing things the satanic way (if that is what you are implying).
Actually, I find the Satanic Bible to be poorly written and organized. Nietzsche is my favorite philosopher, not LaVey. In fact, if you ask me, a Satanist is based upon Nietzsche's ideal of an Overman. I was only using LaVey's stance as an example.
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#20293 - 02/12/09 11:56 PM
Re: Are you a Satanist in public?
[Re: Gratikus]
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Dan_Dread
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Registered: 10/08/08
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Loc: Vancouver, Canada
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Try researching the purposes of ancient monuments to pharaohs, kings and emperors. This probably will clarify some of your confusion on the matter.
Now you are just being disingenuous. You said:
"Some of the greatest and most Satanic men in history have wanted to be idolized by the herd, and they accomplished more than anyone hear could dream of."
Now how can kings and pharaohs, who were such by birthright and not by their own deeds, qualify? Anyone could accomplish things with an entire nation of servants at their beck and call. I guess you define 'great' and 'Satanic' differently than I do, because my definitions involve personal accomplishment and merit based on ability, not birthright.
What is “idealism” to you? That is, after all, the original disagreement in our discussion. Please explain your view on idealism and why you are opposed to it.
Where did you get the notion that I am defacto opposed to idealism wholesale? Because I made that one comment about your delusions of grandeur being an idealistic pipedream?
Bit of a jump there eh?
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#20295 - 02/13/09 12:12 AM
Re: Are you a Satanist in public?
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Paul
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"Try researching the purposes of ancient monuments to pharaohs, kings and emperors. This probably will clarify some of your confusion on the matter."
I, for one, still think you've got it the wrong way round. These monuments were TO someone. Or a commemoration or reminder of a great event or victory. The pyramids were most probably a way of guaranteeing an afterlife and were ENABLED by greatness not the precursor of greatness.
As for Gods. When a Satanist states they are their own God they are usurping that place the herd reserve within themselves for God. We do not (well I don't) intend to replace this idea of GOD with ourselves. So a true Satanist removes any possibility of worship, of themselves or anyone else. Satanism makes you a great individual but Greatness in the broader sense is a whole different ballgame.
What you're talking about is politics and to wield the sort of power you're talking about, you're not talking about worship but fear. (remember:- you can't fool all of the people all of the time!)
That sort of fear, other than the Third Reich, hasn't existed since the dark ages. In fact politics aren't really up to the job. I think you're half way to instigating a military coupe.
But let's face it, you can't even convince us and we're of reasonably like mind. So how are you going to maintain control of the masses.
And as for “The Power of Satan”, I'm sorry but I can't see this going further than a mutual ego masturbating circle. megalomaniacsRus.org?
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#20316 - 02/13/09 12:00 PM
Re: Are you a Satanist in public?
[Re: Morgan]
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Dimitri
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Registered: 07/13/08
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You can not create a disease/virus based upon how people think.
Actually Morgan, you can.
I like to call it religion.
You only need to have a good understanding of the human behaviour, make up some rules with a catchy easy remembering tune. Some promises, a fantasy story where you can relate things too and voila. A new "virus" has been created to enrich you and make people mentally ill.
@Gratikus:
[/quote]Satanism are these things that you describe, but there is also an aspect of bringing fantasy to life within Satanism. Naturally, every Satanist takes from Satanism different things, but no mistake about it, fantasy fulfillment is a big part of Satanism. [/quote]
Give me an example from what you call "fantasy fulfillment".
Fantasy remains fantasy, some thing MIGHT come true in some modified way or another, but being truely fulfilled.. nope.
Edited by Dimitri (02/13/09 12:03 PM)
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#20349 - 02/14/09 04:13 AM
Re: Are you a Satanist in public?
[Re: Mike]
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Dimitri
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Registered: 07/13/08
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Hes talking about killing people with a designer type drug, not a philosophy.
Well, it isn't impossible...
We CAN make a new type of drug but..
You need to have advanced software for simulations, a few thousands of rats/mouses, a big dictionnary for biology and expensive material to do genetic modifications on microscopic level... once gathered only thing to do is research and specifications for what you want..
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