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#103194 - 10/03/15 08:27 PM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: SIN3]
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What is 'Freedom' if not simply an ideal?
I tend not to let abstractions such as "freedom", "evil", and "happiness" sit all by their lonesome. These concepts are too amorphous to really mean much of anything except with respect to circumstance; or, as you might say, in "context" (i.e. "Do we have freedom?" "freedom from, or to do what, specifically?")

The "slippery slope", is that these woman haven't so much gone about asserting their freedom from harassment, so much as they have taken steps to (presumably) limit the freedom of others to harass them - which will never work, anyway. At best it is a bass-ackwards approach.

IF (and that's a big if, btw) they were truly concerned with something more than stirring the pot / basking in the limelight of a new cause celebre, they would simply raise awareness that these sorts of things *can* happen, since the internet is not exactly a sanitary place - 'never will be, and to inform the sheep of 1) online harassment is a real thing, 2) steps the individual can take to mitigate risk (i.e. how to block people, report them to the content provider, and just *not* give-up any information they are not comfy having in the public domain - common-sense type stuff)

Legislation will not fix this, and I can't help but think they must know this. I'm not one to underestimate human stupidity, but there's always some things (such as this) that leave me with my face in my hands thinking "they can't seriously think I think anyone is *that* stupid - what's the angle?"

I mean, consider rape. It's certainly nothing I condone, but if you think telling a rapist "hey! stop! get your donker out of me! we have laws!!!" is going to fix the issue, that's just silly. Carrying a firearm, however, might.

As a side-note - I'd like to pin-point exactly when (and possibly why) "we the people" became a nation of pussies and tattle-tales.

*incidentally - the "Don't fuck it up" link I posted earlier in this thread - 'totally worth a watch, if you have 45 mins to kill, wallowing in the bowels of endorkenment ;\)


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#103217 - 10/05/15 11:19 AM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
The cyber douchebags made Sarkeesian look like a heroine, at least in the eyes of her supporters/the sheep. I'm sure their number has increased.


No doubt. I agree. I've seen my fair share of supporters to the tune of Chris Crocker. It's not a bad marketing strategy to target a specific demographic.

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The "slippery slope", is that these woman haven't so much gone about asserting their freedom from harassment, so much as they have taken steps to (presumably) limit the freedom of others to harass them


Right, I don't think much will come of it aside becoming iconoclasts to a small percentage of the population. Some think that more causes like this will change the way we experience the Internet in the future.

Maybe they just can't cope with its progression. Granted a lot the social tech is invasive, weird and kind of culty but it's not like anyone has a gun to your head demanding you spend your days plugged in to any of it.

40 Years of Internet History and many of us have experienced a lot of it first hand.

My first exposure was in the mid-80's and by the early 90's it was a completely different animal. I'd consider it more like Pandora 's Box.

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the woman took off the great lid of the jar (pithos) with her hands and scattered all these and her thought caused sorrow and mischief to men.


Competition and the games of Olympians.

The APC issued THIS in 2012, so it's not like these two women are breaking ground with the UN.

It is a cooperative effort with several countries involved. I think if we've seen any real visible changes its social tech adopting specific ethical policies and enforcement via account suspension and IP Block. Some laws have been updated to include the Internet as a communication device to facilitate harassment or threats of violence but its by no means a deterrent.

Cyber-crime and Cyber-Terrorism give these feminist movements hope in creating a *safe* place to vent about inequality and Human Rights violations.

This is pretty much the angle from Gender Report Highlights :

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Governments, regulators, businesses and everyday Netizens alike need to recognize
and act on the basic principle that an unsafe Internet will mean that women will
frequent the Internet less freely, with costly societal and economic implications.



If you can convince regulators there will be an economic impact, maybe they will be quick to draw up new laws which in turn produce revenues.

Will it change the Internet as we know it? I think the thing will constantly evolve as a tech tool. What's worse? Cyber-Terrorism or Ads? heh
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#103223 - 10/05/15 05:32 PM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: SIN3]
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Cyber-crime and Cyber-Terrorism give these feminist movements hope in creating a *safe* place to vent about inequality and Human Rights violations.


There is a difference between cyber-crime and cyber-harassment. And while the two can overlap, cyber crime involves such serious issues like hacking, doxing, identity theft, online frauds and scams. Cyber terrorism is yet another cup of tea and, as it's a danger to the state, it's taken very seriously. Here is a thing though. Cyber criminals are always ahead of the law and usually smarter than the police. Combating organized groups of online criminals is very difficult and it's also expensive. Some time ago Interpol cracked down on the band of hackers operating in the Mid Europe who were sending Ukash Viruses. But before that happened, the criminals (most of whom were Russians) went unpunished for a couple of years and managed to infect millions of computers in the EU and Russia. Cyber crime is illegal. So what? It doesn't mean you won't become a target.

The online harassment can become a problem when it affects the target's daily existence. For example, when the damage in your reputation affects your job career or a stalker tracks down your address and starts harassing you in the real world, threatening your life, attacking your house etc. However, the whole harassment thing is often abused by the cry babies who just love being victims. Besides, it's extremely difficult to define as the boundary between criticism and harassment is blurred. Is calling someone an idiot harassment or legitimate, albeit harsh, criticism? There are a couple of things you can do if someone tries to discredit and humiliate you online: ignore or block someone, run to the moderators and cry about abuse, strike back. The last option is most fun. Unlike in face to face conversations, you have plenty of time to think about a nice witty retort. Insulting someone is an art that can be mastered.

As far as those retarded feminists go, what about sending them to the North Korea? The internet there is very safe and friendly, just a couple of websites controlled by the government. No threat of harassment, no cyber-bullying, they will only have to get used to the rather humble meals consisting of rice and vegetables. Do we really need this dinosaur of feminism anymore in the 21st century? A rhetorical question, of course.
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#103235 - 10/06/15 09:58 AM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: Czereda]
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That's the thing, these women (and many like them) would like to see specific sorts of activity criminalized. The harshest of critics of their claims are being called abusive and criminals.

The reaction? Movements to have them arrested

After the report was published, many women voiced their disappointment with the outcome LINK


Cyber-violence and its definition is scrutinized because some women still don't feel it's safe to be online to present their content. Really, what that boils down to is relentless criticism of misrepresenting issues (and of course relentless trolling). What's the most terrifying insult to Women? Threats of RAPE. Is it free-speech or is it criminal?

Plenty of comments on this site would fall under the same scrutiny.

When Sarkeesian goes to speak at public events, she's often accompanied by a police officer or body guard. This image portrays a real threat to her person. If people online are speaking frank, honestly and harshly about her work, then she must be under physical threat.

Zoe Quinn and her Intentions have also received harsh criticism, is it harassment? Trolling has been framed as a violence against women, especially if the content is misogynistic. Ummmm if you're a self-identified feminist, then of course the content would be sexist. That's sort of the point in trolling. To use what gets their goat to get a reaction. Gamergate Ruined my life! <- This is the sort of thing, I was referring to when grown-ass women behave like they would like to be treated like children.

If you can't handle the environment, GTFO the Internet. Well, that sort of attitude just won't do. It limits the Internet from Women and girls!

Sarkeesian/Quinn are just two visible examples. There's thousands of women just like them that would like to see some agency police the Internet and enforce a code of behavioral ethics. Violators would then suffer harsher consequences such as fines or Jail.

You're a woman, what do you do when/if a user states that they want you raped, dead or to drink bleach? Do you call the cops?
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#103245 - 10/06/15 05:39 PM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: SIN3]
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these women (and many like them) would like to see specific sorts of activity criminalized.


But they are already criminalized. There are anti-harassment laws, so what? Tracking down and then suing a douchebag who insulted you online is more trouble than it is worth. Also the sex trafficking is a real problem and yeah, it's true that the internet facilitates this business, only it's going on in the underground, with the criminals careful not to leave any traces that would let the cops track them down. I can hardly imagine a trafficker conducting his business on the clearnet: "Hey hey, some pretty girls on sale. Wanna buy one? Discount included." Such a lame joke would bring the guy really serious troubles."

Besides, the internet is already monitored by the security services and the police but the cyber crime is very difficult to cope with. When it comes to trolling and harassment, they will always exist, unless the dumb feminists want the kind of internet there is in North Korea.

I think that these feminists aren't really that retarded, rather they are trying to be "useful." I mean feminism is largely irrelevant nowadays, especially in the Western world so it desperately seeks new ways to validate itself by trying to fight against the imaginary problems, like Don Quixote tilting at windmills. It all looks like nostalgia for the good old times.
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#103259 - 10/07/15 12:59 AM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: Czereda]
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The thing about the world wide web is that it is, well, world-wide. This is where freedom of speech gets "iffy", since some Constitutions simply afford no such freedoms.

If I host material on a server in Spain openly criticizing the King of Thailand should I expect to be extradited from Spain by the RTP? Of course not, but the citizens of Thailand who frequent said site may not be so insulated - they're guilty just by listening. The best any government has been able to do is "censor" the internet, which is by design a bastion of free speech.

For instance, because child-porn is illegal to even *have* on my hard-drive, if I suspect a domain houses child porn, I'd naturally have to visit it in order to confirm and report to the authorities. The problem with this is that once I've verified that said domain does house child porn, these images are now on *my* hard-drive. What incentive do I have to go to the authorities? Which is why it goes largely unabated. No good deed goes unpunished. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Similar legal hurdles occur with "illegal tribal lending" (which is a purely American thing, I think) these are also known as online-pay day loans. The interests rates are often far in excess of what many states have adapted as "usury laws" (meaning that there is a "cap" to which interest can legally be charged). Those who operate such schemes insist that because the contract was signed online, and the server resides on some tribal reservation, your state's laws do not apply. It's a grey area, both legally and technologically - highly open to debate, and therefore, highly exploitable.

What legally defines 'presence' in the digital age? What is "lewd and lascivious conduct"? Iran's definition? France's? Whose rules am I playing by? The origin's or the destination's?

Until this all gets sorted-out (and it never will) "Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself".


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#103265 - 10/07/15 10:47 AM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: antikarmatomic]
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 Originally Posted By: AK
"Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself".


Pretty much. Know the terrain. If you can't handle it, opt out.

It may very well be that these women (and those like them) are looking for purpose, or a product to market and profit from. As noted, Quinn's game was rejected on the first pass but then after all the sympathy she received, it passed the second time. She can now call herself a participant in the gaming market. It's a notch on her lipstick case. She experienced a minor success playing the victim card, so now's she's going full-throttle by teaming up with Sarkeesian. She got an ovation for her presentation and a citation in the UN Report. This will no-doubt give an impression, especially when using it in the future to target her demographic.

The expectation? She's looking for the Hope left in Pandora's box. Law is rarely if ever a deterrent and always up for interpretation.

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#105590 - 02/19/16 10:36 AM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: SIN3]
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Update . Zoe Quinn is making some headway in getting public support. There's a potential film coming out soon and as you're probably aware its a common tactic to tap the pulse of the public.

I think it's just a matter of time before many of these cases like hers make a deeper impact on the Law. It wasn't that long ago that a 'Cybercrime' sector manifested.

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Meanwhile, back in Boston, Quinn had taken Gjoni back to court for half a dozen restraining order violations, which, nearly a year after the abuse initially began, caught the attention of the Boston district attorney’s office.

But at this late stage, the dynamic had changed irrevocably: Quinn no longer alleged that Gjoni was her sole harasser, or even that he was the worst. Her meticulously archived evidence — like that of Sarkeesian’s and Wu’s — suggested a faceless multitude, who together were profoundly more frightening and disruptive that Gjoni’s blog post ever was


Her angle isn't to use the already existing laws but to strong-arm new ones. The 'mob' will then become useful to her and those like her.

She doesn't seem to be making much progress within the legal system itself but rather using social justice to her ends.

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There is one party that hasn’t tired of that process, however — and that is Gamergate. Gjoni is still challenging Quinn’s initial restraining order, which she voluntarily vacated last August, in an attempt to establish new legal precedent around the use of restraining orders against online incitement or harassment. He has already raised $29,000 from his supporters, and persuaded constitutional scholars like Eugene Volokh to file amicus briefs on the case.

“It’s an outrageous violation of the First Amendment,” said Volokh, whose legal blog, The Volokh Conspiracy, is published on The Post’s website. “Fifty years ago, in Brandenburg v. Ohio, we asked if speech that encourages crime could be punished. The Supreme Court said no. There is no legal remedy for [Quinn], because that’s how the First Amendment works.”


All you have to do is put 'Gamergate', 'Sarkeesian Effect' or 'Zoe Quinn' in the search bar for youtube and you'll get plenty in return. I think users of the Internet tire of the antics and by stating they are going to hunt her down and rape her, is just making that abundantly clear. People are just sick of their shit.

I don't know how hip legislators are to the issues if they have no real grasp on tools available to the anonymous user.

Mostly, this girl just comes off as a really sore loser. Her game sucked. It only got attention have she slept with a developer. Even then, the game didn't take off. So now she's using this angle to gain fanfare. It may just work to her advantage, especially if she takes advantage of movie production and marketing. Will Zoe have the last laugh? I guess only time will tell.

Meanwhile... FCC eyes data collection in Net Neutrality Battle

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The wording used in Section 222 is vague enough to offer up some leeway, but it seems clear that changes will be made in the future.


Maybe even get involved in a deeper role with regard to cyber mobbing.
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#105593 - 02/19/16 11:05 AM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: SIN3]
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This is why people construct darknets in the first place. The problem comes down to "trust", however. The net neutrailty battle is (at this phase in my life - and I may change my mind) a non-issue.

"Give me the download and upload speeds that you promised - and all is good" it's that simple. Give me what I pay for. If you can't, then give me a refund. Simple? Should be. If it's unecrycpted, I don't care. If it is encrypted, then "pffffft" good luck!

I'm not a terrorist, I just don't want the world to see me jerking off to my wifey who happens to be on the other side of the planet. I also don't want some random NSA spook seeing her kooch, either. I'm also pretty sure that random NSA spook wouldn't want some other random NSA spook seeing his particular sister's kooch on TV either. (seems sane to me)

Right?

Then OK.

It's not about terrorism - it's about common decency.

We deserve some amount of privacy. Last I checked we weren't in lock-up. I'm not guilty of anything. (plus! my W2 says I paid
12K for that in 2015 alone... I sure as fuck hope those 12 Gs went to protect me and my liberties... I know freedom isn't free... but I am also sure as fuck certain I've paid my fill and am not seeing much by way of ROI
)

So___ this is why I do what I do. ;\)


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#105598 - 02/19/16 01:20 PM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: antikarmatomic]
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It's not about terrorism - it's about common decency.


It's also not about Net Neutrality either. Agencies like the NSA/FCC get access to this data in the name of [fill in the blank] and it's not like common decency existed in the first place.

Rule of Thumb has always been: If you don't want anyone to see your wife's kooch, then don't publish it on the Internet.

The FCC 'crafting up new privacy rules' will most likely match the current policy. Perhaps a solution is to just stop using the term 'Privacy', it's essentially useless.

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The commission will have to determine not only what data is covered by the rules, but also how companies should be compelled to protect it.


Companies like Facebook felt compelled to institute a new policy on real name vs. pseudonym and a brown coat mentality of reporting users. It also has invasive aps that suggest "People you might know", what if you don't want those people you know to find your Facebook profile?

There's always loop holes on content considered 'private'.
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#107575 - 07/14/16 02:05 PM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: SIN3]
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FCC making moves

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The U.S. Federal Communications Commission voted unanimously Thursday to open substantial spectrum for next-generation high-speed 5G wireless applications and networks - a move that could eventually reshape significant portions of the U.S. economy.

The FCC approved opening nearly 11 gigahertz of high-frequency spectrum for mobile, flexible and fixed-use wireless broadband. The FCC said the new rules "will provide vital clarity for business investment in this area."




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The technology could improve traffic by installing sensors in streetlights, roadside architecture, and cars. It could help monitor pollution by installing sensors in trees to gauge environmental impacts.


Increasing speed and accessibility, increases "productivity".

In the race to compete with other nations, especially in the area of surveillance and medical innovation, it receives roaring applause.

More Here

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“In our increasingly connected world, opening up new swaths of spectrum for 5G networks is critical to support ever-growing consumer demand and increasing number of connected devices," said Jonathan Spalter, chair of Mobile Future. "With 5G expected to touch virtually every aspect of our economy and revolutionize how we communicate, we appreciate the FCC’s decision today to help pave the way for continued U.S. global leadership in wireless. The Commission's actions are bold steps to ensure an ever-brighter mobile future for all Americans.”


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#107583 - 07/16/16 03:38 AM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: SIN3]
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The shit pile is going to grow as people add to its mess.

There is not going to be any change until people decide to burn/decimate said shit.

Just look at this pokemon craze going on.

So easy to distract a willing audience.

Fuck it. If I am alone or separate from the human race because I refuse the bullshit, so fucking be it.

Kiss my ass.
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#107587 - 07/16/16 09:32 AM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Look at you bringing that Pokemon stuff here

People do enjoy their distractions and I don't necessarily spite them for that. Some people are more sensitive to the bad news and withdraw into fantasy. It can be a form of self therapy. A way to nip a shift in mood in the bud. I tend not to dwell on things but you know the brain, it's a bastard. When a memory or thought kicks in (seemingly on auto-pilot) I change the channel willfully. I really don't see the difference between that and say Gaming, watching a movie or diving into paint.
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#107593 - 07/16/16 07:22 PM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: SIN3]
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I really don't see the difference between that and say Gaming, watching a movie or diving into paint.


Well, the reply is in regard to your post and what the article says about people needing faster mobile rates.

I say, shit's already dumb enough.

See a part of what I consider Satanic about myself, is that I don't withdraw from a problem immediately.

I don't normally spite people about it either. Usually. In any case, you don't see me walking straight into traffic just because a cartoon shows up on my phone. But I guess that's been happening with text before there were mobile anime games.

Painting takes thought, self discipline, practices that will eventually lead to a skill.

I'm sticking to my point here. The shit pile is going to get worse until people decide to end it. I guess burning/decimating piles of shit is an exaggerated analogy.

What I really mean is, put down your phones and pick up a book to read, or in your example, a paintbrush.
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#107596 - 07/17/16 03:35 AM Re: FCC: Adversarial Force to Open Internet [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Also, if you are indeed implying that I am adding to the mess by mentioning it here, that's fine. I only mention the pokemon game as a reference to what I consider an example of absolute stupidity. In this case, numb-brained herd mentality.

The shit piles are my chosen metaphor of human stupidity/incompetence. The only way to destroy the shit is through knowledge, practice, refinement. Things of self-discipline.

It is what we humans were made for.

In other words, you don't see me out there walking around with my head in my phone unaware of oncoming traffic.

No, I wouldn't say mentioning the mess necessitates adding to it. Quite the opposite. As you've pointed out, most would rather pretend things don't smell like shit at all.

But sure, call me a Devil for kicking up a storm and mentioning what everyone would rather not think on.

I'm obliged.
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