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#97273 - 03/07/15 09:29 AM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: SIN3]
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I would say sacrifice "requires something to be offered", but not necessarily "something to be dead".

But of course, blood sacrifice is undoubtedly the ultimate offering. The finality of death speaks to our primordially innate "philosophy of biology" -- sex and death.

As Nietzsche said, although this is somewhat out of context:

"Of all that is written, I love only what a person hath written with his blood. Write with blood, and thou wilt find that blood is spirit."

Blood is spirit. Indeed.

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#97275 - 03/07/15 09:59 AM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: JamesSTL]
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Does sacrifice require death? Sometimes, but not always. I believe that society, as an amorphous entity, inherently demands some form of death and murder to validate its sense of justification. Whether it is wars, pogroms, lynchings, et cetera. It does not take much more than a few accusations of rape or pedophilia to get even our most flaccid American citizens screaming death threats and howling for blood. Often, far less.

On an organized scale, such as formal wars, and judicial executions, this can even seem ritualistic in form--often producing very strong cathartic and psychologically conditioning effects even upon those who otherwise have no practical stake in the drama. Powerful magic indeed.


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#97280 - 03/07/15 11:07 AM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: JamesSTL]
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 Originally Posted By: JamesSTL
blood sacrifice is undoubtedly the ultimate offering. The finality of death speaks to our primordially innate "philosophy of biology" -- sex and death.


Most if not all Religions are hard centered on both are they not? Human experience unto itself is concerned with these things and Religions are wrought by expressions of them.

That said, what is in the Blood doesn't appear to be Arbitrary to the person carrying out the deed.

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Blood is spirit. Indeed.


Spirit (or Spiritism) seems to be what they are offering up in Sacrifice. If the vessel for it happens to be an Animal, people appear to empathize with it, much like people lament over being broke.
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#97329 - 03/08/15 07:53 PM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: SIN3]
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So what I'm getting at here is that the idea of "sacrifice", being an offering to an exterior sovereign/entity/deity/what-have-you, is not a part of what at least I consider a "LHP outlook", where the "Self" is posited as the practitioner's "center of authority".

I guess "LHP" is somewhat ill-defined, and I can only speak for myself. For instance, would other users consider literal "devil worship"/submission to a sentient devil deity "LHP"?

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#97330 - 03/08/15 07:59 PM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: JamesSTL]
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That sounds funny to me, given that all Religions, every last one of them, are man-made and these things are just projections of self. Hopes, wants, needs, the Spirit in motion. Even when a person claims to be in the thralls of God, is this thing really outside of them? So when they 'make sacrifice' its like ego-thumping. "Give me what I want!" It be like screaming in a mirror.

LHP isn't ill-defined at all, hell Devil Worship thumbs its nose at the status quo. I'm not saying its in practice by prolifically smart people that blow your mind every time you encounter them. All I'm saying is that there can be no submission if there isn't anything there but YOU.
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#97333 - 03/08/15 08:26 PM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: SIN3]
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I'm totally with you in that concepts like sentient deities are projections of the psyche, or even the "collective psyche"... or what you've similarly described in other threads as the "meta".

The problem is that this is not the viewpoint of those "believers" who submit to the imaginary unicorn princess.

To the theist, the "not-I" deity is considered quite real and fundamentally outside of the Self, whether in an immanent or transient (or both) capacity.

Unless we are to consider such immanent entities as the Federal Government as a manifestation of our psyche... solipsism, where things get fuzzy.

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#111650 - 03/07/17 03:03 PM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: SIN3]
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Occult Tower - Blood Sacrifice with (believe it or not) Robert Fraize. Haverill, MA gave him a local access spot. Second episode covers blood sacrifice.

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Reverend Robert Fraize, leader of the Theistic Satanism Church, wants to bring awareness of the practices of Satanism and its teachings. Giving a monthly sermons calling upon a demon to protect and serve the citizens of Haverhill.


I just can't with this shit. To each his own endeavor I suppose.
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#113553 - 07/20/17 08:23 PM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Bulls eye.
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#116334 - 05/26/18 06:16 PM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: SIN3]
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When people sacrificed animals back in the day they just used the standard method of slaughter said a prayer of thanks giving to a god in question and ate the meat afterwards. So I don't really think there is much of a problem with the historical context.

It would be difficult to really bring it back today as our culture and the way we kill animals for meat has changed somewhat. It would have to be carried out by someone for who the traditional way of animal slaughter is their trained profession. Though these people would tend to be Muslims or Jews they're not going to want to take part in a Satanic rite.

Halal or Kosher meat is about as near as you will get to animals that are ritually slaughtered in a religious context for food. Though there is a group of pagans still living in Russia who practice animal sacrifice at large scale community events. Something like that may be possible if you get a large enough community together in a particular place and you have the people who can humanely carry out the slaughter. It would be kind of nice to see something like that brought back I suppose, there's a question of how humane it would be for the animals in question but it would likely be about as stressful to them as being slaughtered in an abattoir the usual way.

A modern day version could involve a bolt gun to the head and or electric stunning there are no written rules on how the animals are to be sacrificed. Unless you're a vegetarian you shouldn't have any problem with this.

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#116342 - 05/27/18 06:40 PM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: Dark One]
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I'm not that familiar of the history of animal ritual sacrifice, but I think one of the major differences between the old days and now lies in the value of the animal. Back then, the animal slaughtered was valuable, in that it probably fed the family for a week. In other words, it wasn't just the animals life being sacrificed, but the comfort of the self and the family. In this way, a comparable sacrifice might be burning a half a weeks wages.

An even greater sacrifice might have been sacrificing your prize ram, or a young ewe, as you would also be offering future wealth.

Of course, this depends on the motivation or intended gesture behind the sacrifice - what is your sacrifice saying and what are you actually sacrificing?
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#116346 - 05/28/18 04:01 PM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: Dark One]
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 Originally Posted By: Dark One
When people sacrificed animals back in the day they just used the standard method of slaughter said a prayer of thanks giving to a god in question and ate the meat afterwards. So I don't really think there is much of a problem with the historical context.

It would be difficult to really bring it back today as our culture and the way we kill animals for meat has changed somewhat. It would have to be carried out by someone for who the traditional way of animal slaughter is their trained profession. Though these people would tend to be Muslims or Jews they're not going to want to take part in a Satanic rite.

Halal or Kosher meat is about as near as you will get to animals that are ritually slaughtered in a religious context for food. Though there is a group of pagans still living in Russia who practice animal sacrifice at large scale community events. Something like that may be possible if you get a large enough community together in a particular place and you have the people who can humanely carry out the slaughter. It would be kind of nice to see something like that brought back I suppose, there's a question of how humane it would be for the animals in question but it would likely be about as stressful to them as being slaughtered in an abattoir the usual way.

A modern day version could involve a bolt gun to the head and or electric stunning there are no written rules on how the animals are to be sacrificed. Unless you're a vegetarian you shouldn't have any problem with this.



Except that its gratuitous and unnecessary for magical purposes. Just like my laziness in editing your long ass block quote. Does laziness count as a ceremonial sacrifice if it aggravates the intended victim and gives me pleasure at the same time? Seems a bit more Satanic and pleasurable then torturing animals for the purposes of public fetishism.

But all joking aside lets take a vote and see if we can allow this stuff to flourish in the Satanic community. I vote brownies.

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#116348 - 05/28/18 05:57 PM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: samowens84]
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But all joking aside lets take a vote and see if we can allow this stuff to flourish in the Satanic community. I vote brownies.


I don't see how being sacrificed as part of a religious ritual is any worse than the conventional process of being slaughtered for food. The animal is going to suffer a bit of discomfort and distress and then finally be killed either way. There would of course be a ceremonial feast of the sacrificed animal afterwards shared by the community of worshippers. That was always part of a traditional animal sacrifice for however many tens of thousands of years we're talking about.

I think it would be really nice to see this ancient tradition brought back after it's 1.5 thousand year hiatus and it would of course have tremendous shock impact for the 'non-believers'. Satanism is much better suited for bringing this ancient pre-Christian rite back rather than say...Wicca, ugh.

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#116349 - 05/28/18 10:17 PM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: Dark One]
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 Originally Posted By: samowens84


But all joking aside lets take a vote and see if we can allow this stuff to flourish in the Satanic community. I vote brownies.


I don't see how being sacrificed as part of a religious ritual is any worse than the conventional process of being slaughtered for food. The animal is going to suffer a bit of discomfort and distress and then finally be killed either way. There would of course be a ceremonial feast of the sacrificed animal afterwards shared by the community of worshippers. That was always part of a traditional animal sacrifice for however many tens of thousands of years we're talking about.

I think it would be really nice to see this ancient tradition brought back after it's 1.5 thousand year hiatus and it would of course have tremendous shock impact for the 'non-believers'. Satanism is much better suited for bringing this ancient pre-Christian rite back rather than say...Wicca, ugh.


You had me up until "community of worshippers." Or "Shock value" or whatever. Something tells me you know better ;). I think it would be kinda satanic if the witch behind the rite got all the worshippers to drink toilet water and pay her bills. Now THAT would be Satanic.

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#116350 - 05/29/18 02:06 AM Re: Religious Animal Sacrifice [Re: samowens84]
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 Originally Posted By: samowens84


You had me up until "community of worshippers." Or "Shock value" or whatever. Something tells me you know better ;). I think it would be kinda satanic if the witch behind the rite got all the worshippers to drink toilet water and pay her bills. Now THAT would be Satanic.


Community of pagan believers back in the day the purpose of an animal sacrifice was to cement a community of people together. Satanists are still pagans even if they don't particularly like the community aspect this is a real world past religious tradition. Satanism is still going to be your best bet for bringing something like this back. It wouldn't be Asatru as all they seem to do is sing hymns from the Edda's in a Christian Church. Seeing a full blown 'traditional' Satanic sacrifice in the black robes with an animal blood poured over an alter or image of Satan is certainly going to have shock value for Christians and Muslims, atheists would raise an eyebrow as well.

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