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#97623 - 03/16/15 07:42 PM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: mountaingoat]
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At first glance, you were fooled. Even though the apparent Adam's Apple in the third photo was a dead give-a-way. Your mind chose to ignore it, along with the obvious signs of a man's chisel.

What was I was supposed to learn, I wonder? I hang out with people like this. Women always know, even post-op. The women that go bro, don't fool me either. When they hit on me, I just tell them I'm not a Lesbian. It usually does the trick.


As an aside, Bailey's AVN awards were best Transgendered. The husband is a photographer. The draw (porn) is for the fact that top-side female, bottom-male - those that seek the best of both worlds. It's a niche market. Good for him, I say. He's capitalizing on it. If he ever decides to give it up, it's easily reversible.

The Bailey Jay Show and Youtube will give you a better idea of mannerisms and Stereotypes in relation to hormone treatments, you might not know the difference either. I'd be curious to learn how that affects his Penis.
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#97624 - 03/16/15 07:44 PM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Me? or a reply button issue?

mmm... I'm pretty sure it's a dude. I probably couldn't be blamed for fucking it, though... were I single, anyway.

Whatever it's trying to be is still not my type, though - it seems to care too much about how it looks.

 Originally Posted By: DD
That is patently a mans face
hold on... *squints* *takes a few steps back*... *tilts head*... *puts glasses on*... nah, I dunno... 'could be either... I can't call it.

Whatever it is, it's not my type.
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#97625 - 03/16/15 08:35 PM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Are those pictures supposed to invoke a reaction of 'wow, I can't believe that's not a real woman?'

If so, utter fail here.

That is patently a mans face, and the fake tits aren't too convincing either. That one that used to hang out in SIN chat was more convincing, and that dude wasn't convincing.


Let me set the mood here for you Dan and we will see if you would reconsider....

Bailey Jay calls you on the telephone and wants to meet you at the motel 6, you stagger over there after a bottle of Jack Daniels (or 2,3 or even 4) you walk up to the door of, lets say room 666, and you turn the knob and the door opens slowly and there on a bed in the dimly lit room is Bailey Jay, naked but only showing her/his ass to you......tell us the truth here, you're getting laid, right?

Sorry had to go there. :P


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#97626 - 03/16/15 08:39 PM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Have another look (circa 2003) minus the make-up, false eyelashes, botox and long hair. Not much has changed, aside the boobs and Hormone treatments to soften the voice and edges.



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#97627 - 03/16/15 09:48 PM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: SIN3]
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Chicks with Dicks is just the next Apocalypse to what people consider Traditional Values.


I guess it depends on locale. The difference between The Bay Area and Birmingham, AL.

I once pressed a fundy on his take on the Transgendered and the response was something along the lines of, "Well they are an abomination of God, and therefore have no soul..." This leads me to believe most that would see their values attacked by a TS apocalypse and those that sport a 'truth' fish are mutually inclusive.

Even still, I'm thinking the new taboo is recognizing taboo exists. You saw the US do a 180 in about a decade over same sex unions so I doubt I'll see much from this. Pockets of the bible belt withstanding, the voices that would cry foul are being 'progressively' drown out by the chorus of, "you can't say that."

I'd say the new frontier is awaiting 'Sexbots', and the rights of a person who chooses cohabitation with an artificial intelligence.

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#97628 - 03/16/15 10:01 PM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: SIN3]
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err... apparently I need to revisit my eye-doctor (and I just went there too!)

Aside from the shirt I can't call it! Given what I have to go on - that pic alone - it's either a chick who didn't develop yet or an effeminate male... who also didn't develop yet... 'depends which way I tilt my head. *shrugs*

Whatever it is, my second head says "meh, not interested... can I go back to cuddling into my nuts now?"

That said, is gender in or out? Good question.

I think it's in, mostly. Aside from the flippant "what I like most in a woman is me"... I like the idiosyncratic craziness of a woman (cringes - don't throw stuff at me - I can only speak the truth!) like, they're sweet, caring, and will also gouge your fucking eyes out for, like, skipping a meal - and there's fucking no way to predict it, either. Hell hath no fury.

Hell we all go back and forth on defining the "essence" of Satan... pffft that all pales in comparison to articulating the essence of the feminine. "Mystique" is a fucking understatement.

One day I'm the knight in shining armour, one day I'm in the dog house... again... often in the same day... thrice and for the same reasons! All you can do is piss and moan to your bros over a shot, shoot some pool, and then go back home to someone ineffably awesome in ways that make a good woman what a good woman is - which has very little to do with tits or ass, much less surgery.

The reality is... I spend about as much time (15 mins) searching for auto insurance (<geico) as I do boning. Fuckability goes as far to cover the first week... the stuff years are built on and lifetimes are shared by virture of... there's not enough surgery in the world to span that chasm.



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Edit Reason: First Battle of Curlew Pass: Irish forces defeat the English. (hey the Irish won at something! cheers to that!)
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#97629 - 03/16/15 10:48 PM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: mountaingoat]
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 Originally Posted By: mountaingoat
I'm not sure where you're going with this post. But, if that's a dude, I just learned something about myself.

Reminds me of the Maury show when he’d bring out a bunch of people who looked like beautiful women and ask the audience to pick out which ones were women and which ones were men dressed up like women. I (and the audience) got it right about half the time, which is to say I didn’t have a fuckin’ clue.

I love Maury. He and Jerry Springer are goddamn geniuses.
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#97632 - 03/17/15 12:07 AM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
At first glance, you were fooled. Even though the apparent Adam's Apple in the third photo was a dead give-a-way. Your mind chose to ignore it, along with the obvious signs of a man's chisel.

What was I was supposed to learn, I wonder? I hang out with people like this. Women always know, even post-op. The women that go bro, don't fool me either. When they hit on me, I just tell them I'm not a Lesbian. It usually does the trick.

As an aside, Bailey's AVN awards were best Transgendered. The husband is a photographer. The draw (porn) is for the fact that top-side female, bottom-male - those that seek the best of both worlds. It's a niche market. Good for him, I say. He's capitalizing on it. If he ever decides to give it up, it's easily reversible.

The Bailey Jay Show and Youtube will give you a better idea of mannerisms and Stereotypes in relation to hormone treatments, you might not know the difference either. I'd be curious to learn how that affects his Penis.


Alright, I'll give you props on knowing your shit, or doing the research, Ali. I dig Bailey, really. He\She fucks with peoples minds and sexuality, unsettles people and all that, makes them think. I also agree that before seeing the full nudes, that most guys here were like "I'd hit that", and then felt all gay seeing the swinging dick. This may or may not be true of everyone here, but...

 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Are those pictures supposed to invoke a reaction of 'wow, I can't believe that's not a real woman?'

If so, utter fail here.

That is patently a mans face, and the fake tits aren't too convincing either. That one that used to hang out in SIN chat was more convincing, and that dude wasn't convincing.


When Dan Dread has to respond to prove that he had no response, well... my work here is done. lolololololol

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#97633 - 03/17/15 12:16 AM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: Persona non grata]
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 Originally Posted By: N913
I also agree that before seeing the full nudes, that most guys here were like "I'd hit that", and then felt all gay seeing the swinging dick. This may or may not be true of everyone here, but...


Well it would only make you bi-sexual since it was sex with a male and female at the same time, lol.

I don't think saying I would "hit that" would make me feel all gay only if I woke up next to it in the morning.


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#97634 - 03/17/15 12:35 AM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: Bodie45]
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All joking aside, sex just doesn't bother me, rather homosexuality and bisexuality. I really don't care who people are fucking unless I want to fuck them. Then, and only then do I concern myself with how much they get around and if they might have something. Otherwise, their lifestyles are their own. I'm "Straight" as far as sex goes, but I have gay friends, and I'll defend them when attacked by bigots, but I have friends who are bigots, too. I seem to see the best, and the worst, in people. If the worst thing about you is that you were born the 'other sex' its just not a that big a deal to me. I dig anything that rubs society the wrong way, as it is useful in making people think about their own positions, and dealing with the fact that not everyone shares that position.

As for would I fuck Bailey, no, thats not my thing really. Would I let her blow me? Perhaps, lol. Sexuality is not so black and white as people like to think. I'm not attracted at all to the male form, but some trans peopel possess enough of the female form that they are actually attractive. I'm just man enough to say it.

If someone had all the right treatments and actually became female, would it be alright then?

If the fetus was going to be one male and they altered it to be female, was born and grew up female, would you know the difference? Would that make you gay, or them?

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#97636 - 03/17/15 12:48 AM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: Persona non grata]
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 Originally Posted By: N913
I dig anything that rubs society the wrong way, as it is useful in making people think about their own positions, and dealing with the fact that not everyone shares that position.


I am with you on this, I like to recalibrate my life every once in awhile, delete the old stuff and upload the new if you will.

 Originally Posted By: N913
As for would I fuck Bailey, no, thats not my thing really. Would I let her blow me? Perhaps, lol. Sexuality is not so black and white as people like to think.


lol, I will plead the fifth on that one.

Nothing(or almost} is as black and white as people like to think imo. Seeing past the "WHAT" of what I am suppose to think is the main problem for mankind in general.
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#97642 - 03/17/15 10:59 AM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: Persona non grata]
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 Originally Posted By: N913
If the fetus was going to be one male and they altered it to be female, was born and grew up female, would you know the difference? Would that make you gay, or them?


When it comes to the premise of Gender Equality, it's all over the map. Some people regard it as having the same privileges across the board. Even if they are faced with Biological differences, they believe they are entitled to those same privileges regardless.

For context, say it's the Corporation doling out privilege. If say, the employee were an asset but needed extra time off to deal with some family issue, the Corporation may bend company policy for that Employee due to their value in relation to the bottom line. Once the rules are bent, other employees may spite that person and then point to gender. "Oh she must be fucking the Boss" or "Oh they are buddies and play golf on the weekends".

This then opens up a myriad of perceived slights. The reality may be that the Corporation made a judgment call based on their ROI, not gender. The same applies with wages. You see it all the time in the news, all this inequity of Women being paid less for the same job a man does. Since I've never experienced this personally, I look to the specific cases.

If a person is being paid less than another, people usually litigate using stats. If gender were removed from the equation, what else can we use to demonstrate that some people are paid less than others solely based on gender? I usually come up empty handed.

Biological differences may be relevant, or they may not - depending on the task. Even if a Trans person plays the part, works out at the gym, etc. they may still fall short of an exact replica of a male's physic and strength. On the surface you may not be able to tell the difference from across a crowded room but up close and personal there's going to be little tells that stick out.

The reason I shared the FTM example is because as 'he' points out, no matter what he does 'his' hips are going to be wider than his chest. Physiological differences are built in for childrearing. That old adage "It's all in the Hips" rings true.

The fetus can only be altered but so much, which is what a lot of these Trans people talk about. A baby is born with some abnormality and a 'sex' is arbitrarily chosen, then the internal impulses are wrestled with regardless of what sex they were raised as. In those cases, Nature typically prevails.

When it's purely a mental situation, it gets a bit more complex. Some people may get so tangled in their heads because they like certain activities that are catered to one gender, they start to really believe they have to play that gender to enjoy them.


If, for all intents and purposes, a Trans woman 'passes' some men may be fine with it but some may not if they find out 'she' was actually a 'he' due to the deception. They can blame the deception but in truth, you know it's because they have to make peace with the idea that they just had sex with a 'used-to-be' dude. The mysteries of the Vagina may only be that to the inexperienced. Those that have 'been around' would know the difference between a nature made and constructed vaginal cavity.

I think those that challenge the status quo about gender do it for self-serving purposes. They want to feel a certain way about self and thwart attentions towards certain attributes. Lookism still plays a role, naturally. While Bailey Jay may be an exceptional example, there's still plenty of people out there that are less than aesthetically pleasing to others.

Like I said from the giddy-up, maybe the more people challenge traditional genders, the less of a focus it will become.

 Originally Posted By: Megatron
When Facebook has 56 gender identities, isn't something broken? Somewhere?


Certainly and that's the idea. Break the system. Rather than trying to balance the scales, knock the fuckers over.

There will be something else people can pick at to address their lack of self-actualizing.

Shit, I wanted to address this too:

 Originally Posted By: DogMachine
I'd say the new frontier is awaiting 'Sexbots', and the rights of a person who chooses cohabitation with an artificial intelligence.


I've been waiting patiently for years, I follow the research fanatically. I'm So in!

The Ethics already written as a preemptive strike are interesting and should be challenged. Why must we turn everything into a personhood issue? The psychology papers written (with regard to victimization and exacerbating behaviors) due to distilled apathy towards a machine is another interesting premise. The Japanese already have machines integrated into their daily lives (some even babysit their kids), here in the States it would be an Ethics/Morality issue vs. WTF Japan

During my discussion with Nargargole from Youtbe, he mentioned something that I turned on its head. He called 'The World' energy rather than Social Morality. I think it's the opposite. When people refer to 'The World' they are usually talking about people. In that case that's exactly what it is, Morality & Ethics.

Why can't people just build the damn things and then step the fuck out? Let me worry about the Ethics and Morality.



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#97643 - 03/17/15 11:24 AM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: Bodie45]
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Hey guys, most of you had a 'something is off' initial reaction to the pics, that shows that some part of you knew Bailey wasn't a woman. If she was in front of you the 'off' would be more apparent, gestures, body language, smell irl there would be more tells. I don't think most of you are in danger of getting a blowjob from a man.

I went out to a bar Thursday night with my boyfriend and some friends. There were three gay guys there. Two were in a relationship, one is 23 and fabulously single. One of the committed guys proceeded to hit on every man that was with a woman. Telling them they are hot, asking them to dance and doing this so that I (at least) never noticed.

So when my boyfriend started quietly disengaging and doing the watch check I KNOW he is bothered by the gay guys. When he starts wandering around the bar I start getting pissed. This is just good ole boy shit coming out and I hate that.

We leave and he tells me he was being hit on (because I am yelling at him about being homophobic and a bigot, etc). As soon as he said that I was like 'Oh it was just rude.' You don't hit on someone who is with someone regardless of their sexuality. The uncomfortable shit was because he was enduring being hit on repeatedly by someone he didn't want to sleep with.

The progressive thinking Canis mentioned makes shit like this happen. I see the flirting as well.. not flirting and read homophobia where none exists. If it was a chick I would of went the fuck off.
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#97644 - 03/17/15 11:29 AM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: SIN3]
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Natural physiological diversity among women and men should also be considered. It is quite easy to nitpick about the incongruities of transgendered people compared to the 'ideal' archetype, but due to varying hormone levels and other causes we all know many men with "effeminate" frames and soft faces, and women with oddly 'hard' features, broad shoulders, big hands, &c.

Amusingly enough, all of my partners before my current one were biologically women but I never had a girlfriend with smaller hands than me until I started dating a trans woman (sans hormone or other transitional therapy).
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#97645 - 03/17/15 11:51 AM Re: Gender Equality? [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
Natural physiological diversity among women and men should also be considered.

Certainly but there you go tying a pretty bow on it by calling specific traits effeminate or hard. Feminine vs. Masculine.

Bailey Jay's features as a boy weren't a huge leap to his chosen archetype due to that diversity.

In his own words "I had it easy".


 Originally Posted By: FS
The progressive thinking Canis mentioned makes shit like this happen. I see the flirting as well.. not flirting and read homophobia where none exists. If it was a chick I would of went the fuck off.
Indeed, you can't assume that another person subscribes to your Ethics. Everybody for himself.

Many revel against the fall of Traditional Values for this reason. Degradation due to a more Machiavellian approach. It seems to me, its main concern is with how the society you belong to expresses itself because it can directly affect you. In this case, open the door to unwanted flirting. If the line is blurred, in this case, maybe your bf unknowingly gave off the Gaydar and the flirtees picked up the signal. If they don't subscribe to traditional values (i.e. assuming the woman beside him was a mate) then there's no Ethical concern. In your view, it's rude. To them, no fucks were given.

You dismiss the flirt from a man because there's no real perceived threat (but did you know that up front?) but if it were a woman, game on. I would think a flirt from any gender would be considered rude, if that's how you feel about it.
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