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#976 - 10/08/07 03:05 PM Satanic Warlock?
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Cheers,

Nice to see the new layout.

I ordered the Witch and, upon starting reading, was immediately disappointed. The book covered Lesser Magic, as I had previously understood, but mostly from a female perspective.

Well, those girls seem to have it easy! But, being a man, how can I exploit the same principles? A girl nude under her coat is sexy, a man nude under his coat is gross. Self-consciousness for girls is sexy, self-consciousness for men is poison.

I'm a 3 o'clock intellectual, critical thinking nerd. What kind of a sex symbol would that make? ;\) As no-one is going to hit on me on the street, how should I start gathering magical energy without using more of it in the process?

Your ideas are appreciated.

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#1007 - 10/09/07 02:41 PM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Smallstar]
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I believe that things work differently for a man, when it comes to “sexual energy,” if that is what you are searching for.

For women to attract a man, is not that difficult, for some of the reasons which you state.

However, a man’s sexual energy, is a byproduct of a confident, and perhaps successful life, if one is talking about long term. Although we can “fake” it short term, such as dressing up nice, and acting confident when going out. However, it is difficult to keep up the charade long term.

For a man to be truly sexy and attractive long term, the best way to do it, is to achieve or coming close to being self actualized. Looks aren’t as important as that aura that REAL self confidence exudes.

I am not talking about the bar tough guy, or the class clown, or the so called “attention whore,” which are pretty much one and the same. But the quiet confidence that one gets when one is TRULY satisfied with being true to ones self, and being comfortable in ones own skin.

Granted, this is coming from a males point of view. But even I can tell when a man has that attractiveness, because when I see one, I think to myself, “I sure wish I knew his secret.” They just have an aura about them, that is hard to explain, but can be easily noticed when in their presence.
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#1012 - 10/09/07 04:47 PM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Asmedious]
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I back up Asmedious' point here.

For example, I find that when I am engaged in a relationship, I draw stupid amounts of attention from females. Usually to my partners disappointment.

I hesitate at the word aura, but there is no doubt that something exists around and in a man who, to quote Asmedious, "quiet confidence that one gets when one is TRULY satisfied with being true to ones self".

The method is dissimilar to an extent, but the basics are the same world wide.

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#1015 - 10/09/07 06:28 PM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Smallstar]
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Remember that people are programmed by the TV as they sit in front of it. (And they sit seven days a week for 8 hours a day) Use these existing marketing systems to your advantage. People are more at ease with things they see as familiar, and in places that they frequent.

Become familiar. Observe the hairstyles and clothing used for popular TV leading men and adopt a range of these styles. Target your dress and style to fit the particular type of woman your trying to attract.

Also remember that the modern feminization of men turns off most intelligent women. Don't fall into the trap of using the wacky, stupid, or emotional behavior that modern TV has deemed "Normal" for males. Know who you are, stay reasonable, listen to opinions, but be firm in your decisions. In other words, Confidence.

Read. Load your mind with hundreds of topics to use in conversation. This allows you time to gain a rapport with the lady by maintaining her interest.

Study body language and use clues like "crossing", or "mirroring" to control your tactics.

Practice the art of engaging strangers in conversation.

Use smarts.

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#1018 - 10/09/07 08:04 PM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: MCSA TEK]
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I think that if one dresses and acts the way the general public "perceives" Satanists, one is far less likely to get ahead in your career or love life.

Act your age (at least in the professional sphere), and most importantly, dress your age. If you dress smartly, with the proper attitude you can pull off virtually anything. Style and panache. Balls and sass.

Don't wear the ratty long sleeve fishnet over a black tank top, with the goth strap pants that drag 10 feet on the ground. Black nail polish, dyed black or blond hair. Successful women don't find that attractive in a man. They either roll their eyes in disdain or laugh at you behind your back with their girlfriends. If you're a twig, work out, triple your protein intake and get a tan. If you're fat (a little tummy is okay, but a gut needs to be worked on), work that chub off. All it takes is willpower. If you don't have that, what are you doing calling yourself a Satainist anyway?

Don't just skim the articles in the newspaper or a popular magazine--chances are the depth of your knowledge on the subject will be shallow and misinformed. Find alternative sources to feed your brain with. It will make you more interesting in a conversation.

Work on maintaining eye contact. Keep a soft gaze--you don't want the woman you're talking with to get creeped out. Don't ever drop your gaze down to her chest (we're not idiots)if you do, make sure she isn't looking in your direction).

Smile. Don't scrunch your eyebrows together (as if in concentration)--that makes the woman feel as if what she's saying is incomprehensible to you (and she'll get pissy).

I hope this helps, coming from a female perspective.
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#1019 - 10/09/07 08:30 PM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Smallstar]
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Although I agree with what most of the other posters are saying. I think that they are mainly focusing on "coming across" as something, instead of actually becoming it.

One can dress, and act a certain way. It might even fool some of the people some of the time. But you will have to continue to keep "trying" to "be."

Once you truly acheive or come close to being self actualized, you no longer have to try, or think about it.

You can be yourself, and not have to wonder if you are dressed right, or if you are looking at the woman the right way, or if you are saying the right thing, or listening the right way.

It just all becomes natural. No pretence, no trying. Because you also realize that your are not trying to "impress," but instead are sharing who you truly are. Even on those rare occasions, when you might not be perceived in a positive light by someone, it doesn't matter at all, because you realize that you are simply just not a match, and faking it would just be a waste of time.
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#1020 - 10/09/07 10:59 PM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
Although I agree with what most of the other posters are saying. I think that they are mainly focusing on "coming across" as something, instead of actually becoming it.

One can dress, and act a certain way. It might even fool some of the people some of the time. But you will have to continue to keep "trying" to "be."

Once you truly acheive or come close to being self actualized, you no longer have to try, or think about it.

You can be yourself, and not have to wonder if you are dressed right, or if you are looking at the woman the right way, or if you are saying the right thing, or listening the right way.

It just all becomes natural. No pretence, no trying. Because you also realize that your are not trying to "impress," but instead are sharing who you truly are. Even on those rare occasions, when you might not be perceived in a positive light by someone, it doesn't matter at all, because you realize that you are simply just not a match, and faking it would just be a waste of time.


Becoming something is a learning process. Everything that we are is due to what we learn. I am a confident corporate professional because of my study of psychology, human nature, and my profession in University. Without these things I would be severely handicapped.

Every one of us has to start someplace however, Suggesting that someone with minimal understanding of women, behavior, and social structure just jump in and be himself is just disastrous.

Never forget that when it comes to dating, and the craft of picking up women some men have made an actual craft of it. Devoting a serious segment of their life to the study and perfection of their skill.

That doesn't imply that they are not being themselves.

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#1025 - 10/10/07 09:17 AM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: MCSA TEK]
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Re; MCSA Tek.

Point taken, and I agree.
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#1057 - 10/12/07 07:27 AM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Asmedious]
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Cheers,

So, let me summarize: women project an aura of sexiness because they are inherently sexy. Successful men project an aura of confidence which is found attractive.

However, there are different kinds of success - success in World of Warcraft is unlikely to lead to any kind of success with girls, while even a few successful experiences with girls will lead to a successful aura regardless of any "real-life" success. To confuse things further, there are self-made millionaires who are virgins against their will, as well as there are alcoholic bad boys living on welfare and still having a different woman every week. You may call them "self-actualized", I'd just call them too stupid to understand their own worthlessness.

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#1058 - 10/12/07 08:00 AM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Nemesis]
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Cheers,

Heh, I wouldn't dress like a Goth if they paid me. ;\)


Body building is easy, since all I need to watch for is not over-doing it and getting injured, and results are guaranteed.

Unfortunately, mental skills are not that easy to develop. (And, if there is a gym for "practicing" eye contact, I'd like to join. ;\) Not to speak of a gym for people with a too heavy self-consciousness.)

Well, if I learned anything from the Witch, every time before I start drooling to anyone, I think "how will this benefit/develop me, will this be worth the energy spent", and usually end up doing something else instead.

Of course, the best way to gain sexual energy is to build a cult, have 1000's of women join, and then write a book about how women should dress/act the way you like them. ;\)

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#1063 - 10/12/07 09:39 PM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Smallstar]
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Well, of course! lol

I would suggest practicing your eye contact skills on your girl friends (are you friends with women, or are you mostly a guy's guy?). That way, they can give you feedback and let you know where you need to improve. Or you can do it the subtle way, by practicing your developing skills on them and see if they act differently towards you. They don't have to know that they're part of a little ongoing experiment ;\)

Don't let the bit of knowledge gained from a single book be the whole of your research. The Satanic Witch was written for women (by a man, oh the irony) in the 1960's. Women then were expected to be passive, submissive to their husbands, etc, so they needed a stronger shove (i.e. calculative thinking) into taboo men's country--assertion of Will.

You just have to take in the mindset of the generation of people that were in their heyday 50 years ago. Men were tough, had all the answers, and if they couldn't get chicks, then there must've been something wrong with them. That's why you won't see any self-help books for men in getting women--it was supposed to be some genetic skill passed down from father to son, with no real work involved. Of course, we all know everything in the above paragraph is bullshit, and completely unfair to men.

You sound like you have grown into the habit of becoming distant from other people without giving them a chance, turning a rather cold, analytical eye on the purpose of relationships and the process of getting to know other people. Just keep in mind, that honey attracts more flies than vinegar.

Good luck. \:\)
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#1066 - 10/13/07 01:14 AM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Nemesis]
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I feel that people these days seriously under estimate the raw power that a simple dress style and/or attitude can have on the public.

For instance, I was traveling to work a while back. And I misplaced my wallet. That really screwed me up as I take public transport and the loss of my wallet with all it's cash and cards and all that crap, was a large blow.

So first things first, needed to get out of the station and to my bank.
Hard to do without your ticket and those guards.
However, with my dress style (professional monkey suit) and a relaxed confident manner, I was able to leave the station without any questions. In fact, while numerous people all around were stopped.

It works on a subconscious level, if you are dressed to impress and have the right attitude, peoples minds simply adapt to make it seem like you belong there.
How many times do you question workers on the streets? Or planes?
You don't. Simply enough, unless you have a questioning and/or suspicious nature, you simply accept that they are there AND that they SHOULD be there.

Back to the story, I went to the bank.
And without any I.D. and with (apparently and to my annoyance) my signature not on file.
I was able to cancel my cards, and even withdraw a few hundred dollars from my bank account to tide me over until my new card was delivered.

Should that be possible? Certainly not! I hardly like the fact anyone claiming to be me could in about 45 minutes, walk out with cash, cards canceled and whatever else.

But it does highlight the power of what attitude and dress can do.

To take this to the more basic level of flirting.
When I flirt, I act friendly, as if we have had contact before.
Make them believe that you are supposed to be there chatting and talking to them.

Radiate confidence like a super-nova.

People will accept almost anything if you can present it to them correctly.

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#1068 - 10/13/07 04:47 AM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Nemesis]
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Cheers,

Your observation is correct. I don't have much respect for the average streetwalker, and I have little genuine interest for people in general. Not much to be turned into honey, is there?

Being cold and analytical may be a disadvantage, but you can't just walk down the street and fool yourself into being interested in other people when you are not, can you?

I've met my Demonic personality and he's just like that - very friendly and likes everyone, very far from my normal self. But that's still not my real self...

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#1079 - 10/14/07 08:49 AM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Smallstar]
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I think you took my response out of context a bit there.
It has nothing to do with respect, more with attention.
Questioning details.

If anyone grabs a safety vest and a helmet, the odds of anyone questioning his presence there is unlikely. Throw in the correct attitude and odds are you'd be unquestioned for at least a few hours.

The same example works on so many different levels, from shopping through to flirting.

It's not about being aloof and arrogant (unless that is the attitude most likely to succeed) but about quiet confidence and an.."aura" of self. Convincing people that you are meant to be doing whatever it is you're doing. Talking, moving through places, being served first. Whatever.

Terrorists would use a similar method in their infiltration. (As much as I hate the T word, it serves for an accurate example)
People don't question. Never wonder why that groundworks is going on so long, or why the person jumping off the platform at the station is indeed doing it.

Nothing to do with respect, everything to do with being aware of yourself and the surroundings you place yourself in.

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#1081 - 10/14/07 09:52 AM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Veldrin]
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Cheers Veldrin,

Sorry, I was actually replying for Nemesis in the latest post. But yes, I think I know what you mean about people being willing to buy your role and not thinking very much about it.

Of course, some limits do exist - if you are 180/70, no-one is really going to believe that you are a hockey player star... and if you have glasses and a short hair, no-one will believe that you are a rock star - unless said party is drunk enough. However, of my experience in the bar scene I have also seen the opposite, over cautious bitches - after getting to know that a girl knows some Russian, I demonstrated my almost fluent skill in that language, resulting in her walking away with a disgusted "who you are trying to fool there"? This has happened to me not once but twice.

I'll also answer my own question in the beginning - if a 3 o'clock (thin introvert) wants to become a sex symbol, he can take the role of a heart surgeon, a whiz kid multimillionaire, or a Catholic priest (no one can resist a celibate guy, can you, girls? ;\) Each of these roles is suitable by an introvert who is more interested in facts than people - not everyone can be a rock star, but fortunately, not everyone needs to be. And if LaVey is correct, these roles should be extra good for 9 o'clock Aerobics instructors... ;\)

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#1083 - 10/14/07 10:58 AM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Smallstar]
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I have been very pleased with this forum and highly impressed with its members. I am learning a lot and even when I am chastised it helps me to grow.I have read the Satanic Witch. I think very few people can really see themselves as others see them. I have been forced to do so recently and I have had to realize I have a messiah complex. I have always been attracted to non-conformist girls,or girls with a lot of problems. We always think we can be that white knight in shining armor who can solve all their problems.What really happens is that in time their problems become your problems. So reading these posts here has made me think and allowed me to step back and seriously consider why so many, not all but many,of my relationships have been failures. I have had to realize I must be a psychic vampire magnet because thats all I seemed to hook up with.But I realize now I am also to blame because it was some weakness inside me, some deep psychological need, that was being met. I realize now it was my messiah complex.Well, messiahs get crucified and I am stepping down from the cross today and giving serious reflection to past failures and making a new me.
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#1088 - 10/15/07 11:23 AM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Samuel Hain]
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Cheers Samuel,

Good that you have been able to name your problem, that's more than most people ever will do. I have also made the mistake earlier to continue developing a relationship even if I knew something was wrong - if this happens, you would be better either correcting the problem, correcting your beliefs or bailing out. It is not a bad thing to fail in the beginning, and if you do, you should survive with minimal (emotional) losses if your attitude is right.

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#1120 - 10/16/07 07:48 PM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Smallstar]
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 Originally Posted By: Smallstar
Cheers Veldrin,

I think I know what you mean about people being willing to buy your role and not thinking very much about it.

Of course, some limits do exist - if you are 180/70, no-one is really going to believe that you are a hockey player star... and if you have glasses and a short hair, no-one will believe that you are a rock star - unless said party is drunk enough. However, of my experience in the bar scene I have also seen the opposite, over cautious bitches - after getting to know that a girl knows some Russian, I demonstrated my almost fluent skill in that language, resulting in her walking away with a disgusted "who you are trying to fool there"? This has happened to me not once but twice.

I'll also answer my own question in the beginning - if a 3 o'clock (thin introvert) wants to become a sex symbol, he can take the role of a heart surgeon, a whiz kid multimillionaire, or a Catholic priest (no one can resist a celibate guy, can you, girls? ;\) Each of these roles is suitable by an introvert who is more interested in facts than people - not everyone can be a rock star, but fortunately, not everyone needs to be. And if LaVey is correct, these roles should be extra good for 9 o'clock Aerobics instructors... ;\)


Well naturally limits apply, that 70 year hockey player may not be able to take the ice, however, he could most likely pass off as the coach to most. So there's generally a way to reach the same end.

But saying that, you're right. Some people are extremely guarded. The paranoid are incredible examples of this, conspiracy theorists too.
So it's not foolproof, everyone underestimates the ingenuity of fools. But for the most part, it's just public "sheep" we are referring to and dealing with in everyday life.

Like life, there's no one plan for every situation, all one can do is arm themselves with a variety of tools that can be molded together to form a powerful being.

In some ways humans are as predictable as tic-tac-toe. Diversions may occur, but it's well documented that given certain circumstances people will usually react in a predictable, expected way.
Psychological and criminal profiling rely quite heavily on this.

I think I'll concede some points to you, while agreeing on others, and let's hit the bar after we knock off \:\)

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#1121 - 10/16/07 07:53 PM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Samuel Hain]
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 Originally Posted By: Samuel Hain
I have been very pleased with this forum and highly impressed with its members. I am learning a lot and even when I am chastised it helps me to grow.I have read the Satanic Witch. I think very few people can really see themselves as others see them. I have been forced to do so recently and I have had to realize I have a messiah complex. I have always been attracted to non-conformist girls,or girls with a lot of problems. We always think we can be that white knight in shining armor who can solve all their problems.What really happens is that in time their problems become your problems. So reading these posts here has made me think and allowed me to step back and seriously consider why so many, not all but many,of my relationships have been failures. I have had to realize I must be a psychic vampire magnet because thats all I seemed to hook up with.But I realize now I am also to blame because it was some weakness inside me, some deep psychological need, that was being met. I realize now it was my messiah complex.Well, messiahs get crucified and I am stepping down from the cross today and giving serious reflection to past failures and making a new me.


Well first and little offense meant, but try paragraphing. Not a big thing, but it helps read your posts a bit easier.
Not hardcore on the issue, but it's a pet annoyance heh.

Anyway, I don't think many people (if any) would see themselves as others see them. Generally there's not even a way to tell unless you have a sure fire way to find the truth. I digress.

When you enter a relationship, it is accepting someone's problems into your life, as you are accepting someone's life into your own. Unavoidable to an extent you might say.
Still if you're having repeated issues, then yeah could be something in what you are seeking/attracting.

Either way, taking a long look at oneself is always a good idea.
There's always more to improve and learn.

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#81314 - 10/20/13 03:03 AM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Smallstar]
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My thoughts of The Satanic Witch.

Its a great book for Warlocks as well. we have knowledge of the females lessor magic at our fingertips. Satanist and non-Satanist women employ this deception. we have it neatly spelled out for us in the words of Lavey.

Lavey did not write a book outlining ways Men can manipulate the Female psyche. These secrets cannot be found so easily. It is up for the individual to research more AND also look within to discover that knowledge. This particular knowledge is harder to achieve, and reserved for a more elite majority.

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#81320 - 10/20/13 04:56 AM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: seeker1]
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 Originally Posted By: seeker1
Lavey did not write a book outlining ways Men can manipulate the Female psyche. These secrets cannot be found so easily. It is up for the individual to research more AND also look within to discover that knowledge. This particular knowledge is harder to achieve, and reserved for a more elite majority.

"These secrets"?
"Those secrets" can be easily uncovered if you have actual guts to talk to a real woman. You know.. walking straight up to them and having a little chat? Gaining a bit of experience on how to notice when there's mutual interest or not..

It's fairly easy.
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#81354 - 10/20/13 07:40 PM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: Dimitri]
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Word that's what I'm saying. Lavey didn't write that down for us. we have to figure it out ourselves. And I don't particularly agree that those secrets are easily uncovered, unless you study.

Edited by seeker1 (10/20/13 07:50 PM)

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#81358 - 10/20/13 08:10 PM Re: Satanic Warlock? [Re: seeker1]
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 Originally Posted By: seeker1
Word that's what I'm saying. Lavey didn't write that down for us. we have to figure it out ourselves. And I don't particularly agree that those secrets are easily uncovered, unless you study.


Diane did contribute to The Compleat Witch, so tips on the female psyche are within the text vis-a-vis Diane/Anton as a filter.

I do however agree that every female is unique and unlocking that door may take a few keys. The dynamic between two people is unique to that connection.

I know a gal that got all hussied up to impress a male she was after to no avail. The male preferred a natural woman without make-up or glam. She assumed his preference pallet without actually taking the time to do any real research. Needless to say, he rejected her advances.

I can't tell you how much I hate when a male (or female for that matter) tries to run game on me that they've used with others. I'm guessing the repetition is out of personal success but it doesn't always work.

I appreciate candor, just tell me what you're after, I may be after the same. If I'm not, I'll save you the trouble of the hoop & pony show.
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