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#9859 - 06/28/08 06:32 AM anyone seen this book
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when i was a kid i could have sworn i read a satanic book that included subject like possession,mind reading and invoking the souls of the recently deceased anyone heard of it?


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#9914 - 06/29/08 06:21 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: belphegore]
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i just found a new satanic book to read its the satanicon.anyway back to the first topic ill describe it a little bit better.on the sigil of baphomet theres 13 symbols around the circle and i think the author had a wolf name in it?
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#9948 - 06/30/08 03:24 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: belphegore]
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 Originally Posted By: belphegore
when i was a kid i could have sworn i read a satanic book that included subject like possession,mind reading and invoking the souls of the recently deceased anyone heard of it?

Try any public library for such garbage... A large number of such books came out in the 80's...

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#10039 - 07/03/08 02:06 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: ta2zz]
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it might be th"Encyclopedic Sourcebook Of Satanism.I havn't read it yet but is it good.rituals and the whatnot.
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#10050 - 07/03/08 02:52 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: belphegore]
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Any book containing "possession,mind reading and invoking the souls of the recently deceased" involved with the word Satanism should be looked at as the uninformed crap that it is... A good book indeed...

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#10052 - 07/03/08 03:10 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

Any book containing "possession,mind reading and invoking the souls of the recently deceased" involved with the word Satanism should be looked at as the uninformed crap that it is... A good book indeed...

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no one is scared of satan anymore. I say bring on the sensationalism, the cult sacrifices, the ritual orgies, the necrophilia, the mind control, and by all means the blasphemy.. make this shit sinister again. i whole heartedly support ill informed authors trying to make a buck.

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#11792 - 09/24/08 06:56 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: belphegore]
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right it was the Satanic Bible of the 80's a90's not by Anton give me this F book.
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#17133 - 12/29/08 07:48 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: napalm]
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Napalm, I don't know what came out in the 80's or 90's, but if it was called the Satanic Bible, and included such chapter's as "possession, mind reading and raising the dead , trust me, it was NOT the Satanic Bible. There is only one of those, and it was written by Anton Szandor LaVey.

"Anton give me this F book".... Huh?
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#17191 - 12/30/08 10:46 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: spiderbreeder]
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Actually I once came across another book called "The Satanic Bible", but it was a poorly-written collection of garbage that mostly consisted of complaining about Anton LaVey's take on Satanism, instead of expanding on its own ideas.
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#17210 - 12/30/08 05:09 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: The Zebu]
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Those are the two schools of Satanism.

At least by contemporary standards.

In one corner, we have Satanists that live the philosophy as outlined by LaVey in the 60s.

And in the other, clueless wishtheyweres that spend the majority of their time whining about Anton, what his real name was and what he might have done or not done for a living. Oddly enough, it is this group that gives LaVey the most spotlight.

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#17247 - 12/30/08 11:37 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: The Zebu]
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Ok, I didn't realise someone had released a shoddy rip-off... It sounds like it's not worth the paper it's written on anyway - I'll take your word for it Zebu, I won't even bother attempting to track it down.

Dan, you and I seem to have a very similar, if not identical take on this, so I won't elaborate on the subject any further - it couldn't be summed up clearer than in your last post. Well said!
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#17279 - 12/31/08 03:00 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: spiderbreeder]
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Yeah, it's one of those crazy nuts that says that the CoS are not real Satanists because they don't worship Satan as a literal god. Needless to say you could check out most of it on Google Books, but it would be a waste of time.
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#17306 - 12/31/08 07:38 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Dan_Dread]
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So how do I become a "wishtheyweres", 'cause I whine, a lot, I think I'd fit in? What was that guy's name anyway? Who wrote that book once?
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#17313 - 12/31/08 08:46 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: daevid777]
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Sorry Dave. 'Satanists are born, not made' goes in two directions. There is no going back bro!
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#17409 - 01/01/09 03:25 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Dan_Dread]
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"Satanists are born not made."

Anyone else smell the bullshit in this statement?

Satanists are what they make of themselves. Titles mean dick.
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#17410 - 01/01/09 03:46 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Octavius]
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Hmm, if titles mean dick, "satanists are what they make of themselves" would mean dick too.

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#17411 - 01/01/09 03:49 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Octavius]
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Well happy new year Octavius!

Although I agree with you in that Satanists are what they make of themselves, I would also say that of people in general. Everyone is what they make of themselves, their situations, and their opportunities. Sure.

What I think that statement means, though, is that certain people are born with (or acquire at an early stage in development) certain dispositions, abilities, and tendencies, as to later meet the qualifications of LaVeyan Satanism. I speculate that maybe this particular hunk of memetics was formed to illustrate the idea that Satanism does not seek converts.
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#17413 - 01/01/09 04:06 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Dan_Dread]
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It's not only a hunk of memetics. People are not born with a blank slate and although that some think nurture does more in someone's life than nature, certain aspects of yourself are nature to begin with. Nature endows us with inborn abilities and traits; nurture takes these genetic tendencies and molds them as we learn and mature.

If you're born a moron, no matter what you desire to make yourself and no matter what you are taught, you'll never end up a genius.

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#17438 - 01/01/09 12:03 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Diavolo]
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Yes, that's what I said :P

The 'hunk of memetics' I was referring to was the catch phrase 'Satanists are born and not made'

Happy new year D. And I'm afraid you would have to be the mama. Unless you are a 280 pound MMA fighter, your odds of getting on top of me are slim. Just relax and enjoy it...
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#17470 - 01/01/09 08:21 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: The Zebu]
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I've read a book called "The Devil's Bible" online, written by "Father Myrmydon" of the Cathedral of The Black Goat....Half of it was devil worshiping guidelines and how to "sell your soul". The other half was complaining that modern Satanism isn't "real" Satanism because they don't worship Satan.

Maybe someone changed the title on you? Or are you thinking of something different?
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#17474 - 01/01/09 09:59 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Mike]
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Naw, it was this one by "Reverend Caesar 999":
http://www.amazon.com/Satanic-Bible-Rev-...30864043&sr=8-5

I checked out the Devil's Bible and found it on Lulu for $666 dollars paperback... and promptly facepalmed. It's probably trash, but I'd be interested in flipping though it if there were a free pdf somewhere.

Oh and here's a little tip for all the wannabe black popes who might be reading this- if your clerical title sounds like a screenname, chances are nobody will take you seriously.



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#17476 - 01/01/09 10:07 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: The Zebu]
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Re: Dan...

It's just SO easy to say "Satanists are born not made," when debating with newbies. It's harder to walk the walk AND talk the talk. Explain to them WHY and WHAT Satanism can be and is for the individual. Therein lies an answer with merit, as opposed to regurgitated LaVey. Just sayin'.

You're a pretty smart guy, and I enjoy most of your writing, but you do like to regurgitate LaVey.

Happy New Year to you as well...

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#17478 - 01/01/09 10:19 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Octavius]
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I think that whole "Satanists are born not made" saying was designed to add to the elitist stigma surrounding Satanism. What better way to than to say Satanism is something you are born into. No, Satanism isn't for everyone. However the same sayings could be applied to any religion. One could say that unless you read The Holy Bible and saw your character reflected you are not a Xian. I am living proof that religion isn't for everyone. I believe it is possible for someone to "convert" to Satanism. Just as much as it is possible to convert to any other religion. Of course, you might just say that they were a Satanist the whole time and hadn't found themselves or something like that.
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#17482 - 01/01/09 11:01 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I would have to butt in and say there is a certain distinction.

There is a reason behind the usage of the two separate terms "Born Satanist" and "Born-Again Christian".

Christianity is centered around the idea that the Bible/Christ/God is the ultimate absolute, and that one should adhere to its' teachings regardless of personal conviction. In this view, a person can call themselves "a Christian struggling with their faith" even if they do not agree with it in their hearts. If a Christian is having a crisis of faith, they are encouraged to push all doubts out of their heads through blind faith. Christians want to shut-out all possible threats to their beliefs, and this comes at a heavy cost- that of intellectual honesty.

Furthermore, the "Born Again" phenomenon of how one "finds Jesus" illustrates how people will vilify their past selves as being "lost", "sinful", or "impure", and that they were completely helpless before Christ showed them the light. Although there are some people who are genuinely fucked up by life with things like drugs, and it took religious faith to give them the kick in the ass necessary to set themselves right.

Despite all this, I'm pretty sure that most of the hardcore fundies have been on that path for their whole lives- albeit unknowingly- like Satanists. It just took some self-evaluation. But what annoys me is that they will blatantly lie to your face when they hold up the Bible, and claim it has nothing to do with their personal opinion, despite them wholeheartedly agreeing with every word. Most became Christians because their personal opinion just so happened to fit into a biblical paradigm.

Have you ever heard of a "Satanist struggling with his faith"? Of course not. If there were any, they were most certainly not Satanists for very long. You're either cut out for it, or not.

But overall, I think it's just a nitpicky "nature vs. nurture" nomenclature issue, but what a person identifies themselves as speaks volumes about their philosophical views.
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#18312 - 01/16/09 03:08 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: The Zebu]
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I'll throw my two cents in here:

"Satanists are born not made" seems as ludicrous as the Christian idea that we are all born sinners. This, of course, has to do with original sin (thank you, Eve). Therefore, the mere act of being born is a sin and thus life itself is a sin. See how ridiculous this is? Being a newly born being, one has not only not lived long enough to have committed any type of sin, but at birth we are, more or less, like a lump of clay to be molded. It is called development. True, genetics play a small role, but I believe that it is life itself that sculpts us. At birth, we know nothing of religion, morality, ethics, philosophy, sex, etc. We operate on a completely instinctual level. Things like philosophy and religion are not instinctual. We must learn these things. Whether we agree with or dispute these things is not something we are born with, it is a reaction to what we have learned.

Therefore, would it not make sense to say that Satanism, like most everything else, is learned or developed? To say that one is born that way gives it a mystical implication, in my opinion, that most LaVeyan satanists would be careful to avoid.

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#18327 - 01/16/09 09:50 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: The Zebu]
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I think you raise interresting points here and you seem to grasp the psochology of some Xians.

But let le put it in another light...

However, as "I never seen this book", I'll do it in a new thread

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#18340 - 01/17/09 01:28 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Fabiano]
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 Originally Posted By: "Zebu"

Despite all this, I'm pretty sure that most of the hardcore fundies have been on that path for their whole lives- albeit unknowingly- like Satanists.

But of course. Everyone is born of a certain disposition, and with certain inherent characteristics and potentials. Everyone is born into their path. The thing is, though, is that most white light fuzzy feeling belief systems are essentially interchangeable, while there is only one Satanism. There is a lot a variety available to the mushminds of the world.
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#18348 - 01/17/09 07:17 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Draculesti]
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It's a reasonable point you have Draculesti but I don't agree.
It's not identical to the Christian view where all are sinners, it would be identical if the statement was; some that are born will be sinners. That would be a very correct statement but it can only be verified when using hindsight.

It's the same with the satanic statement. If you look back, it is plain obvious that some are born as a satanist and some aren't. The problem is that if you see a newborn, one can't predict jackshit. If one gets a kid, one can give it whatever upbringing or whatever education but none of those will guarantee a certain philosophical outcome. So basically the satanic statement is a hindsight statement.

I do think genetics play a bigger role than most people assume and while religion or philosophy might be learned, a tendency for religion might be a matter of genetics, like a tendency for violence. It's of course not so simple that one has a satanic gene, like there is no gay gene. Still, being gay can hardly be called a matter of choice and has very little to do with upbringing too, so why would being satanic not work according to a similar 'natural' routine?

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#18363 - 01/17/09 03:20 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Diavolo]
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It's the same with the satanic statement. If you look back, it is plain obvious that some are born as a satanist and some aren't. The problem is that if you see a newborn, one can't predict jackshit. If one gets a kid, one can give it whatever upbringing or whatever education but none of those will guarantee a certain philosophical outcome. So basically the satanic statement is a hindsight statement.


Perhaps you are right, D. If you look at it a certain way, it is not at all dissimilar to something like musical talent. Either you're born with it, or you're not. Sure, you can dick around with an instrument and maybe you'll be able to produce a few pleasant sounds from it, but you'll never be playing in any good bands or professional orchestras.

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I do think genetics play a bigger role than most people assume and while religion or philosophy might be learned, a tendency for religion might be a matter of genetics, like a tendency for violence. It's of course not so simple that one has a satanic gene, like there is no gay gene. Still, being gay can hardly be called a matter of choice and has very little to do with upbringing too, so why would being satanic not work according to a similar 'natural' routine?


I agree, to a certain extent. Of course there is neither a satanic gene, nor a gay gene, but while sexual orientation is not a choice, matters of religion and philosophy are (Christians would call this "free will"). Of course, like with any philosophical principle, you must be able to back up why you agree (or disagree) with a sound argument. It is not enough to say "I am a Satanist, and I agree with the principles of Satanism because...well, just because." Is it a sound argument for a Christian to say "I am a Christian because I was born into the church"? I was born into the Catholic church myself, but I don't consider myself one. Is that just tough shit on my part; am I still a Christian, even though I don't choose to be one, simply because I was born into the church? Remember, religion and philosophy are not "natural"; they are man-made concepts, and are, therefore, not subject to natural laws.
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#18365 - 01/17/09 04:28 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Draculesti]
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"At birth, we know nothing of religion, morality, ethics, philosophy, sex, etc. We operate on a completely instinctual level. Things like philosophy and religion are not instinctual. We must learn these things. Whether we agree with or dispute these things is not something we are born with, it is a reaction to what we have learned."

The above is your opinion.

There is my two sisters and myself.
I am a satanist, one sister is a just for show catholic, the other is a born again fundie. I'm this way over 25 years now (if I say how long really, it gives away my age), my just for show sister just is, she doesn't think about it, she just follows. My born again sister is just maybe 2 or 3 years on that path.

I think it goes beyond a matter of nature verses nurture. If you want to bring instinctual response into the mix, then would it also depend on intellectual awareness and thought. The decision to make a choice based upon your ideas within any given situation.

Just because it takes "Joe" 10 years to understand himself doesn't mean it takes "Jill" 10 years to find themselves.

"that Satanism, like most everything else, is learned or developed?"

Of course, part of Satanism has to do with constant learning and developement of an individual. On that same note, not everyone starts with a blank slate, some kids are just more brighter than others.

I always thought church was a joke, and the priest was a dick. It still suprises my mother about how much I remember from when I was really little. I refuse to believe I was/am not this way since birth.

Morgan

anyone else with family examples?
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#18386 - 01/18/09 12:44 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Morgan]
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My parents and my older brother are Catholic, and I was "raised Catholic" - I was "Baptised", "First Holy Communion", and "Confirmation"...

I don't remember the Baptism, and what I do remember from my "First Holy Communion" it wasn't a pleasant experience for me. I honestly didn't want to go through with it, I didn't want to be there.

Confirmation class was a joke. I hated it, and I didn't exactly know why. I do know that our "instructor" was just some lady, and I was doing it because I pretty much had to... it was a "year" back then, now I think they've upped it to 2 or 3... maybe because of our class.

I've been to so many churches... and it was all very uncomfortable, boring, and unwelcomed. Even when I thought the priest did some good work at keeping the interest... it was most definitely "not for me".

My brother and I would make jokes afterward regarding the "mass", our "critique" if you will... in "good fun"...

it was really a joke to me... and totally fucked Saturdays for me... or Sunday mornings, which I think was worse. I don't know why I felt this way, and maybe some "soul-searching" abit might explain a few things.

I do remember thinking... "This Jesus guy is alright... how can I become that" - mostly when mentioning the healing of the sick or other "magical Jesus powers". I respected it, but I thought it a gyp for just one guy to have all that kind of power, and not share - anything.

Guess I was always like that - I didn't want to worship a God, I wanted to know how to become one.
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#18388 - 01/18/09 01:15 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: daevid777]
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I was born into a Baptist family in Illinois. As a kid, you went to church. You didn't have a choice. You also went to Bible School. You didn't have a choice.

I lasted until I was about eleven, when I asked the question in Bible School, "If Adam and Eve had two sons, and Cain killed Abel, and then went away and took a wife, where did she come from?"

I never had to go to Bible School after that. Can't remember ever having to go to church, either. But I will give it credit for being a catalyst to get me to start researching when I had a question. I ended up learning to use a library at a young age and found that there was much more to literature than we as kids were being exposed to. Over the years, I read a lot of "holy texts" and studies a lot of "great civilizations," and found that there was no way that it made much sense to me. So from 1949 to until I walked into a book store, looking for something to read on a long flight to Turkey, I knew I was SOMETHING, I just didn't know what.

By the time I reached Istanbul, I knew.
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#18391 - 01/18/09 03:34 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Jake999]
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am i a nutjob because i LOVED going to church?
i enjoyed the hell out of the ritual and the solemn atmosphere and the history. both biblical, and in all the old shit i discovered exploring the old building. i went to bible camp every year, and thats where i got my first stinkfinger. godDAAMN if i could go back in time i would so bang that little hooker!
then i went to a lutheran high school.
not so cool anymore.

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#18395 - 01/18/09 06:19 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Bacchae]
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I'm from a single parent family, and my Mother didn't christen me or have any kind of religious ceremony for me at all.
We never went to church.
My Grandparents, and aunts and uncles never did either.
When I asked them about god, I was told that he did not exist, and just for the record, Santa and the easter bunny never stopped at our place either.I always knew who brought me the presents and the choc's, and it wasn't a bloody rabbit or some fat guy in a red suit- I actually got in the shit with my best mate's parents when we were about six as I had let the cat out of the bag to her that none of that shit even existed and that her parents were liars...needless to say, she was inconsolable for quite a while there.
We still had Xmas where we got presents and ate a lot, just without all the religious trimmings and the church crap.
I am so grateful to them for not exposing me to all of that!

I feel that I had the ultimate Satanic upbringing even though my family probably didn't chart it that way.
I was one of those kids that was always off by themselves, reading, drawing, creating my own little worlds that I ruled over... an early memory is being ushered into the school councellor's office to find out if I was "normal" as I preferred to be alone so much.

Isn't "normal" just a cycle on your washing maching?

The SB was a total "Eureka!" moment- a real "coming home" feeling for me.
More importantly, it told me that being classed as a "lone wolf" by everyone in my life is more admirable than struggling to be accepted by the masses- You can take everything in more, experience more, when you're not swamped by assholes and ingrates, that's for sure.

Some might beg to differ, but I feel that I was born a Satanist- I just didn't know that "Satanist" is what I was until I saw myself and my way of existence reflected back at me from those pages.

There are those who are born into a certain path(white light religion) who just know it isn't for them all along, like Daevil.
Then there are the ones who are initial believers who turn from
former beliefs as a result of finally waking up.
Then you get the few who are born into an environment totally bereft of religion, that think for themselves, and answer to no external deity.

I feel that the first and the last are Born Satanists, and the second..... eventual Satanist maybe?

Excuse me while I go and put my hands in a bowl of ice. ;\)
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#18397 - 01/18/09 07:24 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Draculesti]
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Of course religion is a matter of choice, that is, considering the illusionary free will we have, but being inclined to be religious might not be a matter of choice.
You are not born with a genetic predisposition to become a catholic but you might prefectly well have the genetic set-up to be vulnerable for the argumentation that makes people become catholics; the lack of critical thinking as an example. Some have a genetic predisposition for violence, likely because it had benefits in a certain culture and due to the benefit, they outbreed the ones without it. It might be prefectly possible that in certain cultures a predisposition for religious behavior or thinking had the same benefits and it spread by breeding.

If it was purely a matter of information one has access to, how does one explain the high degree of religous nutters in let's say the USA compared to Europa? Maybe it was because at a certain point here, most of our religious nutters took the boat to the new continent because their religious attitide was at their disadvantage here and at an advantage there. And there they happily spread.

I think almost all tendencies are a matter of genes. Whether it is artistic, musical, rational or even sexual. Still, we aren't perfect 50/50 copies of our parents, mutations are a fact in reproduction and nurture does have some effect.
I got two sisters, one that is as egocentric as me, a trait that can be found throughout one side of the family, with my ex-grandmother as Satan's mother in law. The other has some hippie-shit tendencies. Physically she is also the one having most aspects of the other side of the family. If it was purely a matter of upbringing, we'd be all closely similar on those levels because the years that 'affected' us most were identical.

The basis is a matter of genes but it doesn't imply sameness.

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#18416 - 01/18/09 06:10 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Bacchae]
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I actually liked going to church, and found the whole "catholic aesthetic" thing cool. I felt proud to be of the "old Roman tradition", and liked reading about Catholicism, and all the crazy shit in the bible.

But as my worldview expanded, I realized that I didn't actually agree with it at heart. So I looked for something I could actually identify with. And here I am.
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#18418 - 01/18/09 06:58 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: The Zebu]
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The traditions, the dogma, the theatrics... these are things that resonate with people, even though they will deny that it has any effect on them whatsoever. We enjoy our little excursions into the rarified air of ritual because we as people are ritualistic, sometimes to extreme. What is obsessive compulsion disorder except for ritualistic behavior out of control?

We all have personal little rituals that we engage in... some for good reason, some for seemingly no reason at all. We've all heard of the baseball player who might not wash his jersey for fear that it will cause the team to lose, or the golfer who whispers a short "prayer" before he swings. Those are forms of ritualization... so are more mundane things. Like ALWAYS putting the left sock on first. I do that and I'm aware that I do it. I've consciously thought about it and tried leading off with the right foot... it's not a pretty sight. I don't feel properly dressed. Carried to extreme, one might get undressed and start again.

Same thing happens with religious ritualizations, only on a larger scale. They become habits, learned by rote, and then we personalize them; know that we need them in our lives, although we might intellectualize it and realize that they don't REALLY do anything but comfort us in a way only we might understand. Sure. It might look strange as hell to somebody else, but to us, it just makes sense.

So, realize when your dress conspicuously in black, or always wear that lucky pin, or always sit with your back to the wall with your date (mate) on your right that you're ritualizing... could be OCD... could be clinging to that comforting blanket or familiarity.
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#18421 - 01/18/09 09:08 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Jake999]
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Here I am, thinking this thread is related to finding a book, lol.

Must be the Level vodka coursing through my bloodstream.

Neither of my parents were particularly religous, my mom even less so than my dad. My dad (and his siblings) had been raised in the Episcopilian branch, and thusly was the church that I attended with my dad on the weekends I spent with him.

For an eleven/twelve year old, I thought it was fun, getting to dress up, but the best part was the long table of munchies they set up after service. Cookies, donuts, coffee, whatever--stuff your face. It was really hard on my knees, those little pull-out things that were cushioned and you had to kneel on at multiple times during the service. I dug the wine that was given during Communion, and remember my dad telling me not to munch on the wafer "so visibly" as I made my way back to my seat, . Around this same age, I'd been given a copy of the New Testament (the cute little orange book!), and I thought I'd amend my ways. I tried to stop cussing, started saying my prayers, stopped masturbating with the massager (that didn't last too long). Needless to say, my mom (with whom I lived with, as she had custody), was not entirely against this "new" me, yet not enthusiastic about it either.

Any way, I knew it wasn't me, but it took me many years to finally accept myself as the way I am.
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#18424 - 01/18/09 09:51 PM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Nemesis]
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All these fun church stories almost makes me wish I had gotten the chance to go...but not really \:\)

I was raised in an environment where the issue of religion just never came up. I remember when I was about 5, learning of the concept of death. When I asked my mom about what happens to dead people, she told me straight up that they rot in the ground.A hard truth, and though I cried about it, I am grateful she gave the answer she did rather than indoctrinating me with falsehoods.

Nobody else in my family was ever religious, either. In fact as a child it was always quite baffling that adults could have 'imaginary friends' yet others in my age group were scolded for doing the same. I guess it only depends what you name him.
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#19185 - 01/28/09 09:41 AM Re: anyone seen this book [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
I was born into a Baptist family in Illinois. As a kid, you went to church. You didn't have a choice. You also went to Bible School. You didn't have a choice.

I lasted until I was about eleven, when I asked the question in Bible School, "If Adam and Eve had two sons, and Cain killed Abel, and then went away and took a wife, where did she come from?"

I never had to go to Bible School after that. Can't remember ever having to go to church, either. But I will give it credit for being a catalyst to get me to start researching when I had a question. I ended up learning to use a library at a young age and found that there was much more to literature than we as kids were being exposed to. Over the years, I read a lot of "holy texts" and studies a lot of "great civilizations," and found that there was no way that it made much sense to me. So from 1949 to until I walked into a book store, looking for something to read on a long flight to Turkey, I knew I was SOMETHING, I just didn't know what.

By the time I reached Istanbul, I knew.


I agree, it is clear that a great deal of these fascinations with this so-called "God" is in retrospect, a bunch of irrelevant crap that makes no sense.

When I was told that "God" was an all-knowing, invisible entity that watches you even while you're taking a piss, I immediately withdrew from Christianity and concluded that it was either really fucked up or simply man's way of consoling his fear of death. I never liked going to church because it never felt right to waste an entire day, pleading to an imaginary guy who's stuck in the sky.

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